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the eggplant or kevbone or pink? I think i'd save the eggplant from dieing...

I wish, more like, time to get home and help change diapers. I'm sure changing diapers is about 5.11c/d not at 3 am in the morning with a severe head cold and sore throat and late nights at work...

man, are you that clown with hexes at the gym??

Now methinks i know the answer to why he could hang out in DENALI in a snow cave so well... cuddle "buddies"

any one smell some hoWZitt???

that's a route, not a crag... go play at the bus stop...

now i'm rolling on the floor... thanks dwayner...i just knew there was something wrong with that thread...i feel all better now!

yes...that is him...fuck, this is horrible...he seemed pretty vibrant last spring... i saw a post on supertaco about him committing suicide...man, this sucks...

to be fair though, dwayner, you haven't pulled out the richard simmons or clown pics either... respect goes both ways...

jesus, can't you fuck off?

For those of you who know him, apparently he has died. At smith...anyone have any details???? I can't believe this... I'd only known him for a year or so...but he was a character and a half...wtf...i remember the last time i talked to him we talked about our respective kids and what they thought of climbing... markd, you have any info????

you and E gonna be in town for xmas???

Dude...leave your worn-out, childish "poop and dwanus" routine for spray. This has turned out to be a remarkably civil expression of views so how about keeping it above the spray-level? You're right: Speaking for myself (pope can speak for himself), I don't care about the "envelope" and I would "prefer that the envelope stay stationary to having the experience and mini environment around the crag degraded..." I'll take it one step further: as a climber myself, I wouldn't mind if certain areas were shut down to climbing if climbers can't restrain themselves from rampant permanent alteration of the environment. "G-spotter" say: Save the "has-been" pseudo-psychological speculation for the spray-pile. Do you really think that's what motivates my perspectives? You don't have a clue. Some of us actually care about the environment and are embarrassed by some of the trends of modern climbing. no "sparky" comments then...

Maybe, but think of yr favorite trad route. Now what if the next time you get on it you find bolts all over it? Could happen. But maybe yd just ignore them, fine, but theres no denying that the "bolt/sport" mentality has "re-visioned" what climbing is. Imagine House landing a chopper on top out of NP Rupal Face over a couple years time and buliding way staions, putting in bolts fixing cables, and then climbing it and claiming a "First Ascent". I know thats an extreme analogy, but thats one thing that "sport" climbing has brought with it, an distorted view of what it means to "climb". Things change, thats true, but some effects of the "anything goes" attitude are fucked up. hmmm...what's that word i'm searching for???? ahhh yes, here it is...HYPERBOLE... Get real...it is possible that they both coexist...

Nicely summed up. Too much negative energy on this post over the weekend, geez. I tried to bring something positive to the table with a pretty nice article but alas the ever common "bolt war" began. Just as sport climbing and bouldering may not be your cup of tea, all you arm chair "hardmen" can probably appreciate somebody pushing the envelope with ground up ascents with gear placed on lead on 5.14's!!! Now if somebody told you they first bouldered hard then did hard sport which helped them to do those ungodly 5.14 trad lines in great style would you belittle them b/c of their past? I say just get over it and quit making mountains out of mole hills. Sport climbing and bolts helped advance all climbing to a new and different level, it was obvious progression whether you like it or not. You can say it was good or bad but I would bet if it didn't happen you wouldn't see those same guys cranking down on 5.14's with gear. I don't think poop and dwanus care about the envelope...they'd prefer that the envelope stay stationary to having the experience and mini environment around the crag degraded...they have some merits to their argument, but they go too far, in my very humble opinion...

for the tenth time, pope, aborigine is 11a not 11d...

You obviously don't know me... I've slipped a looooooong way from my better days, but not that far...

man, so far, as much as i hate to admit it (its chappin' my hide), i believe poop and dwanus have spoken pretty well and made their points clearly... Nonetheless, sport is here to stay, just like Walmart/kmarts and hopefully the momandpop areas will be allowed to live and be preserved as well...let's keep our smiths/ceuses/buoxs AND keep our bugz and hetchies and tuolome's... there's room for both if we respect each other's positions...

that route's a choss pile...the true line is the one to the right...funny, you can clip the anchor of heresy from shoes... its an ok route, pretty damn short...sure gets a lot of traffic...

methinks its YOU!

you would know, wouldn't you? :haha:

damn E...that's some nice work...

Yer mom's got a sausage? Sick

what about his "cool"?