scott_harpell

yep... all wrong... cant make excuses. but precedence doesn't make the action any less wrong now does it?

yes i know this is a weakness... and no matter how much i cn try to rationalize it. i did something wrong. at least i am acknowledging that i have transgressed outside my ethics and can now take steps to rectify the situation. but usinig situational ethics, i can rationalize it away saying... them bastards will never use them... i am freeing the 'biners to live the lives they were created to live.... yadda yadda yadda... how this is any different than bolting because it is easier to rationalize, i dont know.

nope and i shouldnt be doing it.

sorry RUMR... vengenance is not right. killing out of anger is not right. it never will be. call me nuts because i have solid ethics? ones that dont change when money is under my nose or my fists are clenched? i would prefer to be that than the contrary.

why not? because i will always seek doing what is right. I try not to do things out of anger. I subscribe to ethics that are cast in stone so that when i am angry or frustrated i do not cast them aside? focing people to subscribe to some way of life is hard i know! where would we be without all those short-cuts that we rationalize everyday. i submit that the world would be a better place indeed if everyone subscribed to some ethics that did not blow abou in the breeze... but what do i know? i am just a kid.

thanks... you just proved my point your point is what? I don't care about ethics? That your point? No...i don't care about YOUR ethics...mine are different...you obviously don't care about MY ethics....do you? your ethics are relative... forever changing... i ont know what i would be signing up for and that makes me a bit hesitant i would have to say...

and that is not murder... read the definition that is my point cracked... alpine k said it was legal to kill in self defense, but that is not murder now is it?

thanks... you just proved my point

another key phrase shit man what school do you go to?

and that is not murder... read the definition

when... i defy you to give me an instance. You come home, your wife is being raped, your kids suffocated, you're next. But murder is not justifiable, so you uncock your shotgun and bend over. I could go on and on...murder is justifiable under some circumstances. Duh. better look up the definition of murder there. it is the unlawful killing of another with malice. doesn't really fit the description... better hit the books. Gee, sorry, I hadn't realized that you made up your own definition of MURDER as well, not just climbing ethics. I define murder as the killing of another human being. Quit trying to squirm out of this massive tight spot. Admit it, you're not making sense. After 24 pages you've thoroughly convinced most people that you intensely dislike logic. No need to keep going. better hit the books kiddo.

yeah an dthat is murder... and it is wrong.

are you serious?!? we have laws that are institued so that our impact on others in a derogatory way is minimized... the sme holds true for outdoor ethics. that is why we dont shit in a stream... i hope someone told you that...

when... i defy you to give me an instance. You come home, your wife is being raped, your kids suffocated, you're next. But murder is not justifiable, so you uncock your shotgun and bend over. I could go on and on...murder is justifiable under some circumstances. Duh. better look up the definition of murder there. it is the unlawful killing of another with malice. doesn't really fit the description... better hit the books.

According to some, it is OK to murder if you are murdering Islamic terrorists before they murder you. i say that it is not.

There is another phrase for situational ethics: common sense. To reject common sense in favor of some black and white rules is the practice of someone who doesn't want to live in a thinking, conscous world. Go find yourself a nice totalitarian state where you and the other bolt bigots can make yourself at home. Free the bolts. Free the bolts. Free the bolts and we're all free to have fun at last! so just let someone say "hmm.. he really pissed me off... i am gonna justify murder... because he made me really mad"... is that the common sense you are talking about matt? you call me a bigot because i try to live in a way with ethics that are not dependent on the dilapidating and increasingly watered down ethics of each generation?

when... i defy you to give me an instance.

in followed the "it's already fucked" reasoning and showed that that type of reasoning is applicable in another context ie. index. i didn't say anyone wanted to, but using that reasoning they could.

YEah, but you can go get lost if you try to ram your ethics down my throat...ethics are totally relative... ie, in some civilizations, it was deemed ethical to keep slaves of conquered societies... exactly!!! that is a case of situational ethics! they justified their ethics based on the 'curent consensus' similar to what you are sugesting by saying that 'everyone is against you'. ethics are not relative. is it ever ok to murder? no.

well it certainly used to be now didn't it? that was my point... saying that we have already defiled the wilderness is not excuse to do with it what we will... if you wanna use that logic, than why not grid bolt index as it used to be a quarry... riiight. It is no longer a wilderness, duh...why not use it now?? again situational ethics.

ethics is not relative.

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well it certainly used to be now didn't it? that was my point... saying that we have already defiled the wilderness is not excuse to do with it what we will... if you wanna use that logic, than why not grid bolt index as it used to be a quarry... riiight.

i didn't dodge i agree that the clear-cut is a travesty... but saying the wilderness is already fucked... why not fuck it more... is not exactly the principle taught to me by my outdoor mentors.

a wasn't condoning either. the clear cut was ther previously... that is like commenting on the taiwaneese workers that are being exploited for creating the clow outfits in pope's post. it is a superfluous issue, though important, is relatively irrelevant to the case at hand.