scott_harpell

i didnt' say that... read the next sentence

i am not doing that... merely providing social commentary about the lack of concrete ethics... i am not proposing unified ethics persay but i am suggesting that people fess up and tell me their ethical systems if they wanna bash mine. whisy washy situational ethics is a cop-out. again, i am not forcing or even suggesting my views on anyone. god forbid i do that in today's PC world.

if you have quams with my ethics, that is your deal, but my quam with the previous posters is their lack of ethics. to be more precise... it is their lack of concrete ethics. as for books... i dotn knwo what you are refering to... mabe i ws hoping cracked would help out his literacy as he was having dificulties comprehending the definition i posted.

why not? because they are harder to ignore? harder to rationalize? harder to follow? Because your 'ethics' are so incredibly simplistic and senseless that anyone with half a brain doesn't listen to you. Drop the holier than thou bullshit and try to take a look around. If you're so perfect why are you wasting your precious time spraying on this board...go feed some starving kids or AIDS patients, Father Teresa. It's obvious how hypocritical you are, and it's starting to make me sick. first... i never made a statement of "holier than thou" status... in fact i professed quite the contrary. who are you to say that i have not seen these things cracked? my friend is dying of AIDS as we speak. i lived in Cuba... i have lived all over the world. my ethics are not legit because they are "simplistic" i didn't know beurocratic principles worked with ethics to. i always thought the contrary.

why not? because they are harder to ignore? harder to rationalize? harder to follow? i make no statements about my piety, but i refuse to pander to ethics that are only applicable when they are not in our way... in short... only applicable when used against someone else.

i claim no piety sir, but what i do claim is that i can admit when i have transgressed. there is a difference.

yep... all wrong... cant make excuses. but precedence doesn't make the action any less wrong now does it?

yes i know this is a weakness... and no matter how much i cn try to rationalize it. i did something wrong. at least i am acknowledging that i have transgressed outside my ethics and can now take steps to rectify the situation. but usinig situational ethics, i can rationalize it away saying... them bastards will never use them... i am freeing the 'biners to live the lives they were created to live.... yadda yadda yadda... how this is any different than bolting because it is easier to rationalize, i dont know.

nope and i shouldnt be doing it.

sorry RUMR... vengenance is not right. killing out of anger is not right. it never will be. call me nuts because i have solid ethics? ones that dont change when money is under my nose or my fists are clenched? i would prefer to be that than the contrary.

why not? because i will always seek doing what is right. I try not to do things out of anger. I subscribe to ethics that are cast in stone so that when i am angry or frustrated i do not cast them aside? focing people to subscribe to some way of life is hard i know! where would we be without all those short-cuts that we rationalize everyday. i submit that the world would be a better place indeed if everyone subscribed to some ethics that did not blow abou in the breeze... but what do i know? i am just a kid.

thanks... you just proved my point your point is what? I don't care about ethics? That your point? No...i don't care about YOUR ethics...mine are different...you obviously don't care about MY ethics....do you? your ethics are relative... forever changing... i ont know what i would be signing up for and that makes me a bit hesitant i would have to say...

and that is not murder... read the definition that is my point cracked... alpine k said it was legal to kill in self defense, but that is not murder now is it?

thanks... you just proved my point

another key phrase shit man what school do you go to?

and that is not murder... read the definition

when... i defy you to give me an instance. You come home, your wife is being raped, your kids suffocated, you're next. But murder is not justifiable, so you uncock your shotgun and bend over. I could go on and on...murder is justifiable under some circumstances. Duh. better look up the definition of murder there. it is the unlawful killing of another with malice. doesn't really fit the description... better hit the books. Gee, sorry, I hadn't realized that you made up your own definition of MURDER as well, not just climbing ethics. I define murder as the killing of another human being. Quit trying to squirm out of this massive tight spot. Admit it, you're not making sense. After 24 pages you've thoroughly convinced most people that you intensely dislike logic. No need to keep going. better hit the books kiddo.

yeah an dthat is murder... and it is wrong.

are you serious?!? we have laws that are institued so that our impact on others in a derogatory way is minimized... the sme holds true for outdoor ethics. that is why we dont shit in a stream... i hope someone told you that...

when... i defy you to give me an instance. You come home, your wife is being raped, your kids suffocated, you're next. But murder is not justifiable, so you uncock your shotgun and bend over. I could go on and on...murder is justifiable under some circumstances. Duh. better look up the definition of murder there. it is the unlawful killing of another with malice. doesn't really fit the description... better hit the books.

According to some, it is OK to murder if you are murdering Islamic terrorists before they murder you. i say that it is not.

There is another phrase for situational ethics: common sense. To reject common sense in favor of some black and white rules is the practice of someone who doesn't want to live in a thinking, conscous world. Go find yourself a nice totalitarian state where you and the other bolt bigots can make yourself at home. Free the bolts. Free the bolts. Free the bolts and we're all free to have fun at last! so just let someone say "hmm.. he really pissed me off... i am gonna justify murder... because he made me really mad"... is that the common sense you are talking about matt? you call me a bigot because i try to live in a way with ethics that are not dependent on the dilapidating and increasingly watered down ethics of each generation?

when... i defy you to give me an instance.

in followed the "it's already fucked" reasoning and showed that that type of reasoning is applicable in another context ie. index. i didn't say anyone wanted to, but using that reasoning they could.