scott_harpell

YEah, but you can go get lost if you try to ram your ethics down my throat...ethics are totally relative... ie, in some civilizations, it was deemed ethical to keep slaves of conquered societies... exactly!!! that is a case of situational ethics! they justified their ethics based on the 'curent consensus' similar to what you are sugesting by saying that 'everyone is against you'. ethics are not relative. is it ever ok to murder? no.

well it certainly used to be now didn't it? that was my point... saying that we have already defiled the wilderness is not excuse to do with it what we will... if you wanna use that logic, than why not grid bolt index as it used to be a quarry... riiight. It is no longer a wilderness, duh...why not use it now?? again situational ethics.

ethics is not relative.

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well it certainly used to be now didn't it? that was my point... saying that we have already defiled the wilderness is not excuse to do with it what we will... if you wanna use that logic, than why not grid bolt index as it used to be a quarry... riiight.

i didn't dodge i agree that the clear-cut is a travesty... but saying the wilderness is already fucked... why not fuck it more... is not exactly the principle taught to me by my outdoor mentors.

a wasn't condoning either. the clear cut was ther previously... that is like commenting on the taiwaneese workers that are being exploited for creating the clow outfits in pope's post. it is a superfluous issue, though important, is relatively irrelevant to the case at hand.

Why does EVERY route have to be a big deal???? Everything's just gotta be a sufferfest, huh?? That's a dumb argument... it doesn't... but i am not gonna alter therock so that it is safe for me to climb. people have done this RUMR. check it out nd you will see the bolt holes. It is not a sufferfest, but rather a challenge come may take it upon themselves to commit to. it also shows precedence. you say "who cares about 32 & 38" but i see the spreading cancer that has manifested itself in the form or retrobolting of classic testpieces that challenge the body and mind. no that stupid of an argument i would say. You are never gonna convince me (and the majority) that sport climbing and traditional climbing can not coexist... with that attitude. perceived encroachments on 'traditional climbing turf' will be disposed of accordingly. some are less reasonable that i and will not hesitate to eradicate a bolt they see that sets a precedence and an alarming shift in acceptable bolting procedures. his name is hugh luvbar. Sportos are threatinging the very nature of traditional climbing by eradicating any semblance of commintment and danger. this is a necessary facet of trad climbing and something that transcends the act of climbing. besides bolt yankers... what do traddy daddy's do to jeopardize your sport?

Why does EVERY route have to be a big deal???? Everything's just gotta be a sufferfest, huh?? That's a dumb argument... it doesn't... but i am not gonna alter therock so that it is safe for me to climb. people have done this RUMR. check it out nd you will see the bolt holes. It is not a sufferfest, but rather a challenge come may take it upon themselves to commit to. it also shows precedence. you say "who cares about 32 & 38" but i see the spreading cancer that has manifested itself in the form or retrobolting of classic testpieces that challenge the body and mind. no that stupid of an argument i would say.

i heard some people thought getting smashed and burning a shit load of tires was fun back in the day, but mabe also not the best example of stewardship.

it is no big deal to hop onto a route that is at or above your level if you kno you can be lowered off. if D.D.D. is at your level, you will mabe think twice before hopping on it. as a bolted route i would be tempted to jump on it, but i dont have the cajones to do so until i get stronger.

instead of challenge try commitment... mabe this is a more accurate word.

notice the shorts over polypro.

She basically kicks ass, plain and simple... faqin bolt clipper trying to be all trad n' shit

I wouldn't recommend this for a good bottle of wine, as the high temperatures could (and probably would) alter the flavor and character of the wine. Might be fine for the cheap stuff. it will kill it! why doyou think cellars are temp and humidity controlled!?! if you have ever tasted a wine that got too hot in shipping you know what i mean.

you should see the studio 1 stuff from the film board of canada. makes vagina dialogues look like the boxcar girls.

nuff said

that's index 5.6... bitch.

pink fuzzy chalk bag carrying, corona drinking, trustafarian, wire brush carying pussified molly hater!!!

in terms of money "defense" kicks the shit out of energy i would assume given the money just the U.S. spends a year.

yo-yoing bolt clipping prana wearing flamer chris charma poster having dred wearing vw van driving pansies can

sounds like fun. kinda like when i did D-H last weekend and only brought the slippers down from canuck-land. motrin pain for sure! but back to the anti-boltic rhetoric!!!

sweet. that thing calls to me... too bad i am weak sauce.

will do cap'n when are you gonna jump on city park foo? cause we prolly got the same chances of doin each 'proj'.... wait... happy thoughts! happy thoughts!

i would say the climbing style is continuous hard (for me) bouldering for 25 feet.