scott_harpell

yeh yeh! sunny skies, first class is cancelled and jacko is going to jail... can it get any better...ne eh!

good read!

i did and i am looking for some used tele gear right now! nah, but seriously that is some crazy action they are pullin heel-less... check it out!

well cracked, one might, instead of saying what you said, be enticed to state his rationale for climbing to discredit my statement. instead, you just look defensive. why are you so angered by what i have to say? cheer up. its just a BBS. Scott, you indirectly insult most of the people on this board by believing that you can explain their motivations in a most condescending manner. Once again, speak for yourself, not for me. Why I climb? Fuck, because it's fun, plain and simple. I'm wondering where your 'conquering' bullshit came from. How does one 'conquer' a hunk of rock? What annoys me is your condescension, the fact that you think you know who I am, what I do, why I do it, and whatever you do is pure and perfect. 'Lighten up'? You're the one who brought religion into the debate, with your pious whining about your remorse for lifting biners, yet in the same breath chastising the rest of us for our 'destructive' behaviors. Pathetic. who brought in religion? certainly not I. i am truly sorry if you are offended but again that is the nature of debate.

i'm down distel!

well cracked, one might, instead of saying what you said, be enticed to state his rationale for climbing to discredit my statement. instead, you just look defensive. why are you so angered by what i have to say? cheer up. its just a BBS.

well given your other posts on this thread, i am sure it is filled with all the vulgar words of the vernacular you could think of and calling me an idiot etc. i'm sure it was brilliant. i am sorry we wont be able to see it.

nah man. jsut offering an extension of the "cause its there man" rationale for climbing. nothing more, nothing less.

perhaps this is the problem. we as humans cannot accept the fact that we are limited. What have we done to obstacles in the past? Natives? Naughty rivers? why, in this postmodern world should the vertical realm be any different. Conquer at any cost is the one statement that has defined our species and i guess i am naieve to assume that you shit flingers can see your destructive deeply seeded need to conquer anything and everything just because you can. no longer do we do these thigns for money or power, but the need to ocnquer is so permeated in our species that we do it mechanically without any reason. in the in the in the 1800's it was to gain money and power. Now the rational is 'cause its there man.' You are full of shit. how eloquently put. twice

perhaps this is the problem. we as humans cannot accept the fact that we are limited. What have we done to obstacles in the past? Natives? Naughty rivers? why, in this postmodern world should the vertical realm be any different. Conquer at any cost is the one statement that has defined our species and i guess i am naieve to assume that you shit flingers can see your destructive deeply seeded need to conquer anything and everything just because you can. no longer do we do these thigns for money or power, but the need to ocnquer is so permeated in our species that we do it mechanically without any reason. in the in the in the 1800's it was to gain money and power. Now the rational is 'cause its there man.'

no... the most climbers. I think you're in the minority no matter how you cut it. i think you are in the minority... you bolt the rock... you help 2% of the population. you take an ethical minimalist impact stance in your sport and you help 100% of the population

yeah i would be down.

faqin pricceless matt!

if you go bolt classics (like D.D.D.) you are gonna get your ass kicked too... doesn't stop it from being done.

anytime...just keep your sticky fingers off my gear ...bolts or cracks???? i will break my ethics and come clip bolts with you anytime hommes. lemme know

no... the most climbers.

really? is that true? what is th point of situational ethics then... later kids i am off to a lunch date... it was lovely haveing this chat with you. rumr... lets go climbing when i get back!

i didnt' say that... read the next sentence

i am not doing that... merely providing social commentary about the lack of concrete ethics... i am not proposing unified ethics persay but i am suggesting that people fess up and tell me their ethical systems if they wanna bash mine. whisy washy situational ethics is a cop-out. again, i am not forcing or even suggesting my views on anyone. god forbid i do that in today's PC world.

if you have quams with my ethics, that is your deal, but my quam with the previous posters is their lack of ethics. to be more precise... it is their lack of concrete ethics. as for books... i dotn knwo what you are refering to... mabe i ws hoping cracked would help out his literacy as he was having dificulties comprehending the definition i posted.

why not? because they are harder to ignore? harder to rationalize? harder to follow? Because your 'ethics' are so incredibly simplistic and senseless that anyone with half a brain doesn't listen to you. Drop the holier than thou bullshit and try to take a look around. If you're so perfect why are you wasting your precious time spraying on this board...go feed some starving kids or AIDS patients, Father Teresa. It's obvious how hypocritical you are, and it's starting to make me sick. first... i never made a statement of "holier than thou" status... in fact i professed quite the contrary. who are you to say that i have not seen these things cracked? my friend is dying of AIDS as we speak. i lived in Cuba... i have lived all over the world. my ethics are not legit because they are "simplistic" i didn't know beurocratic principles worked with ethics to. i always thought the contrary.

why not? because they are harder to ignore? harder to rationalize? harder to follow? i make no statements about my piety, but i refuse to pander to ethics that are only applicable when they are not in our way... in short... only applicable when used against someone else.

i claim no piety sir, but what i do claim is that i can admit when i have transgressed. there is a difference.