yeah, but you are sidestepping the issue. people drinve here more than anyplace in the world, and that is because of a lack of pub. trans., which is because so many people drive which is because of a lack of public trans. make driving costly and provide alternatives and you will fix many ploblems we have. think this way ratboy: if you could ride a bus to work everyday, you could have your SUV for the mountains only and would only have to use it when conditions dictate or when you are making a special trip. just a thought.