scott_harpell

no doubt. must be a gluton for punishment. but it is we that have to hear her whine when her comp melts down.

I love all this yammering on a climbing BBS. What are you doing to help th situation? Are you as concerned as you say? It has been said that you can tell the true motivations of a person by their daytimer and their checkbook. What are you doing htat is pro-active for the causes you so vehemently speak for on this board? Are you donating your money to these grass-roots politicians? Are you donating your time for the humanitarian causes? Just a thought.

what about canadian companies? I am going to C uba soon and I can just find travelprice.ca any others?

jeeeeeezuuuuuus!

Then whqat are you saying? Yeah I dont have documentation because I would have to sort through 50 million murders to find the right one.

LMAO!

Scott- Oral histories, particularly family related, are often incomplete, and slightly distorted. The stories usually distort over time. I'm not denying that her father disapeared - millions did. Stories such as hers are withing the realm of truth. Chill out man. dont tell me to chill out. i am not gonna let you back pedal and say that her story was two bit, and that literacy was justification for genocide.

well it happened more than 20 years ago... so i dont know what you want me to do about it. are you denying this happened? 50 MILLION times over? If you would like her e-mail adress you are welcome to it, but you must speak russian or lithuanian. Her grandpa is gone. They do not know where he is. That is not two bit. If you really believe what you are saying you are a little more human than those that comitted these acts. I am trying not to hate you, but you give me little recourse.

Scott- Read above. Read. Here's a hint (literacy=+, murders=-(*10^3)) these statements seem to be contradictory. no-one said litteracy was bad.

So you feel that them being able to read evens out the fact that their family members are killed? They were farmers! Do you think that because they could now read Marx they were happy despite the fact that their culture was lost, their family dead and their stomachs empty. How dare you say that something as trivial as literacy can even out the murder of so many millions of people?

No, they hate them for killing their mothers, fathers, children, brothers, sisters, friends and countrymen. What's next? Are you going to tell me that this did not happen?

Capitalism - AT WHAT COST! just because i dont like soviet-government does not mean i am a capitalist. nice try though.

Scott- It's clear you don't know that much about the Russia aside from some 2-bit horror stories. I suggest some reading, The Russian Century, B Moyhnahan to start. And then read about the conditions in Russia prior to communism. Where people were dragged off and shot for insulting the tsar. And an educated populace, that can read of the horrors of it's regime, through underground newspapers, is the beginning of the undoing of a communist society. Look at the changes beginning in China, as an increasingly affluent educated middle class begins to want more freedom. Uhm. yeah So, the merits of the Socialist contributions are only the one leading to the fall of said system. Two bit horror stories huh? So... the ukranian massacre was ok cause the soviets put a book in their hands first? 10-20 million people dead but hey! at least they could read! i think it is you that needs to read up. I have lived there twice and even gone to school there for a year taking 90% history courses in russian and english. How about you not trivialize the murders of millions of various ethnic groups as "two-bit horrow stories" huh?

and usually at the same time too.

anyone can get someone to learn to read if the stick a gun in their face. sure... literacy is good, but AT WHAT COST? Literacy is not much good when you are starving, your parents are dead and your culture is fading befoer your very eyes.

Here are my top 10 affiliations. 1. Orthodox Quaker (100%) 2. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (88%) 3. Seventh Day Adventist (87%) 4. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (82%) 5. Liberal Quakers (80%) 6. Theravada Buddhism (70%) 7. Hinduism (70%) 8. Unitarian Universalism (68%) 9. Bahá'í Faith (66%) 10. Eastern Orthodox (66%)

What are you?

this shows how little you know. litteracy rates were boosted so that the propaganda would be more easily dispersed. another element necessary for a stable democracy is not believing that you are going to be killed by your own government. a girl in my history class back east was telling a story about how her grandfather rolled a cigarette on a newspaper that had a picture of a government official on it and disapeared the next day... never to be seen again... quite the story an there are millions more like it.

still gonna have to call this B.S. The change in literacy rates to the current 99%? Or improvement? but what were they reading? another example of how little stats mean.

still gonna have to call this B.S.

paid a pretty high price for litteracy dontchya think?

go on.

did you notice that 1/2 of them posting are RNU or another murderous nationalistic group. the most outspoken rarely speak for any group. they are also suggesting that the landing on the moon was faked. i have found that the most politically outspoken are usually not the brightest crayons in the box.

mabe the fact that we put missiles in turkey aimed at russia before they put them in cuba aimed at us.