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Heehee, kinda funny to compare Jenny Lake with Carbon River.... Wow, it's been a long time since I've seen a manual credit card machine.... but if those things still even exists, sure seems like Carbon River could get one... if it could avoid washing away in the river this fall!

I don't know what the official cause of avalanche was, but I do know this: MOUNT RAINIER RECREATIONAL FORECAST NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA 500 PM PDT THU JUN 10 2010 .SYNOPSIS...HIGH PRESSURE ALOFT WILL MOVE OVER THE REGION TONIGHT AND PERSIST THROUGH SATURDAY FOR A WARMING AND DRYING TREND. THE UPPER HIGH WILL MOVE EAST OF THE AREA ON SUNDAY FOR A TREND TOWARD COOLER WEATHER. && .TONIGHT...SHOWERS LIKELY. SNOW LEVEL RISING TO 5500 FEET. .FRIDAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY. A CHANCE OF SHOWERS. SNOW LEVEL RISING TO 7000 FEET. .FRIDAY NIGHT...PARTLY CLOUDY. FREEZING LEVEL RISING TO 10500 FEET. .SATURDAY...MOSTLY SUNNY. FREEZING LEVEL 11000 FEET. .SATURDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLEAR. FREEZING LEVEL RISING TO 12500 FEET. .SUNDAY...SUNNY. FREEZING LEVEL 12500 FEET. .SUNDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLEAR. FREEZING LEVEL 11000 FEET.

Don't jump too quickly to conclusions Dave. You mentioned in a previous post there is a reason that private parties should not be blindly following the guided parties out of Muir. I agree with that. Could it be possible that the lack of NPS climbing rangers since the staff was downsized might have some influence on the private party decision making as could the guide services given the chance to communicate what they are doing. How about the guide service and the NPS do daily updates on the mtn's conditions at the blog? So that incidents like what happened on Wednesday last week were well known? Both the guides services and the NPS climbing rangers make a living off the NP is it asking too much that they make a better effort to open access to the park and offer up the little information they do glean on the mtn in a public forum? I think there are several issues here that could be done better to everyone's benefit. Which is why I am wasting the time to day to make the point. Anyone spending anytime out of doors last week could have told you that avy conditions were off the hook. Having an updated blog might have swayed a couple of people, but there are numerous websites out there that provide that same sort of valuable info. I am sure that any ranger at Paradise could have shared that same info. Look the fact that this guy didn't register means nothing to the outcome of the situation. A massive avalanche occurred, climbers were in the path, a climber died. Knowing who he was wouldn't have saved him. Dane sounds to me like you got scorned by the solo permit process this year. I can understand frustration. But how is the solo permit process in any way an underlying factor in this accident...?!?! When I read this thread, it sounds to me like a lot of indirect blame is being cast. I think it is absolutely out of line to imply that any of the rangers at Mount Rainier (or any of the guides, guide companies, etc) were in any way personally liable for this incident. This is sad. A sad, sad tale.

I hope that you are still posting here in 10-15 years, I'd love to hear your opinions on this then.

Ummm this is the most ridiculous thread I have ever read. No matter how legitimate anyone may believe this dude's words to be, you CANNOT seriously believe that the Forest Service has the $$$$ to buy install monitor service and maintain cameras on every single one of its roads?!?!!? The FOREST SERVICE?!?! I know everyone loves a good conspiracy story, but let's get real. The USFS doesn't even have money to repair most of the roads that wash out. I have a few friends that do or have worked for the Forest Service, I know that occasionally they install cameras for wildlife surveys or specific criminal issues like pot grow sites, meth labs, or illegal dumping sites. Maybe that's what these people found in the forests. But seriously. The Forest Service has like one law enforcement officer per 100,000 acres or something. No way do they possibly monitor cameras on all of their roads.

Looking for a place to go backcountry skiing north of the 90 corridor, maybe around highway 2 somewhere. Anyone know of any good areas with pretty low avy exposure? Thanks!

Un-fuck themselves - Love it, love it, love it!!! Seriously, Bachelor's "new management" claimed to be appealing to the general public and the season pass holder for the past two years - Whatever!!! Things have been getting worse and worse for the season pass holder over the past few years. Bachelor can't open half of their terrain on the average day due to weather conditions, and now they won't even allow the die-hard backcountry enthusiast to access it themselves. So over Bachelor!!!!

Super easy to get to! Just follow the NPS boundary trail from the Rainforest Loop Trail, or the marked NPS boundary, up to the top of Alki Crest. Steep, but easy to follow. Then bushwhack up the crest to the lake. If the timber is huge, you can assume that it is *fairly* well protected from avalanches. And there is huge timber up to Alki Crest. You just need to know what is above, and in this case. it's mostly timbered slopes above without substantial open slopes.

One here!

Pretty cool! I wonder if the arrow pointing to Spickard is a little off, though? Looks like it's pointing more to Mox, Spickard would be further north? I think the 16x20 would look better.

Cost to go hiking at NCNP $0 to drive your car in $0 to park at any trailhead $0 per person per night (0 total) = $0 to go hiking in the park.

I lost my camera on the west ridge descent of Forbidden on Sunday July 12. In a black Lowa case, Canon digital camera. If you or someone you know finds, please let me know. Thanks!

All of the climbing rangers on Rainier have solo permits - they are granted them at the beginning of the season.

You don't need parking passes in the park either.

Has anyone spent much time living/working in the Marblemount/Newhalem area? How is the outlook for skiing in this area? How about mtn biking? Any opinions about the area at all? Thanks for anything!

Wow, I hear that Wapaneyo to Leavenworth leg is pretty intense...

Oh yeah, he said the park service approved the permit, but he is receiving no funding or support from the NPS. The American Alpine Club, yes. Go figure.

I talked to this guy for quite awhile this wkend at Camp Schurman... while I admit that some of the questions were rather strange (my favorite was "What were the greatest problems or conflicts you encountered in regards to trying to climb this mountain?" with the possible answer of "Your own death.") I didn't really get the impression that he had much of an agenda. His questions do seem to indicate that he believes there may be a crowding problem at Mount Rainier, but I don't think he's going to get very much data that support that. For example, I gave the crowding I experienced on Rainier an 8 out of 10. It was a busy day and a congested climb. I also said that the mountain was too crowded. However, I don't think that Too Many people try to climb Rainier, and it wasn't an unacceptable level to me. A lot of questions are trying to get at the same point by using different wording, so I think that he's going to get some contradictory data. Of course, everyone knows a good scientist can spin data in any direction they want to!! And this guy was definitely more scientist than climber... I specifically asked him why he was limiting his research to the busy season, and he said that this was a pilot study for a full study he was planning to do next year at Denali. In other words, trying to figure out if the questions he asked really worked or not... I don't think they did.

I didn't mean physical ID, like a driver's license. But you have to give them your CORRECT full name, address, and DOB; it's required if justified. You must be informed about what offence you are committing, or about what offence the officer believes you are about to commit or what offence the officer believes you have committed. If the officer doesn’t give you any information concerning an offence you might have committed or be about to commit, or if the officer doesn’t charge you with anything, you may refuse to identify yourself (unless you are driving a vehicle, are in a bar or a movie theatre, in which cases you must always identify yourself). I have no idea what movie theaters have to do with anything!

Here's the fact: a cop cannot just walk up to you and demand ID. A cop cannot even ask your name. It is illegal. In order to get your ID, they must first arrest you. They must know or have reasonable suspicion that you have broken a specific known law and place you under formal arrest. Then and only then do they have standing to get your ID. In the case of a traffic stop, the flashing red lights are de facto advice that you have been arrested (detained). If you doubt this, next time you are stopped ask if you are under arrest. The cop will be kind of surprised at that but will answer, "well, yes, technically you are under arrest." The traffic infraction he/she believes she saw you commit was the "crime" that made it legal for the cop to detain you and gather information. So a ranger can't stop you on the trail and out of the blue ask you your name or anything else about who you are. I can't imagine that any ranger would do that, however. Less clear to me is a ranger's legal standing to ask you your business: where you are going and so on. My first reaction is that no government employee has legal standing to do that under any circumstances unless it is a law enforcement person who has arrested you. Sure a ranger can ask you your name, just like any citizen anywhere can ask you your name!! You don't necessarily have to give it to them, unless they are investigating an illegal act, though! There's two different things being discussed here, though. One is being detained for that investigation, in which yes, you must provide ID if asked. If not, you could be placed under CUSTODIAL arrest, in other words you are being taken into custody. You are not under custodial arrest during a traffic stop, nor when the ranger is chatting with you on the trail. Your Miranda rights (i.e. to remain silent) only come into play when you're being interrogated under custodial arrest. Either way you absolutely must ID yourself. If you fail to do so, most law enforcement will consider it an officer safety issue, which could result in being taken into custody! But anyhow, my point is just that your rights in the wilderness are the exact same as in downtown Seattle, and we should all know our rights like the back of our hands! Just sayin'.

Are you an American? In America, the theory is we live at liberty free from government coercion and interference. That's the theory, anyway. The reason not to submit to questioning by government employees is that we don't have to. We don't need a excuse not to, instead government is obligated to have an objective reason for any action that requires it to stop a citizen. Well agreed. And yes I am an American. I just don't interpret a ranger asking me where I'm going, where I'm camping, etc. to be coercion and interference! I don't assume that every ranger is up to no good, just like I would hope that the ranger doesn't assume that every climber/backpacker they meet is up to no good!!

Questions like, "Where are you going?, Are you camping?, Where are you camping?, What are you doing?" don't sound like trick questions to me. Aren't those kinda just normal trail questions that people ask each other in the backcountry?? If you're not doing anything wrong - what's so wrong with chatting for a minute or two? If you think you're getting "hasseled," I think a pretty good response is, "why are you asking me that?" Maybe they're just lonely, or you look disoriented/confused/lost/etc, or they received a report of something happening somewhere up the trail... I've never met a wilderness ranger that I felt was out there looking to trick people and write lots of citations!!! But JoshK said, "You do not have to submit to ID or questioning just because they are law enforcement." That's not true. If you're asked for an ID, because there's reasonable suspician that you're breaking a law, then yeah, you do have to provide that. You can't get pulled over by state patrol for speeding and refuse to give your ID!! You can get arrested for that! If they're investigating something you've done, you can pretty much be detained for a reasonable amount of time for them to figure out what's going on. Wilderness... city streets... that part stays the same. But if you're not doing anything wrong, why view rangers as the enemy and refuse to talk to them??

oh man, tom was an old buddy of mine and a fine paramedic!!! so sad. here's to lucca and all those who are touched by this!!!!

bump. i have pictures on this camera of someone who i love dearly and just passed away. MUST FIND this camera!!!! HUGE reward offered for camera or info, no questions asked! thanks.

Left my camera near the base of Throbbing Gristle on 6/14. If found, please please please return!!! Thank you!!!