Figger_Eight

I like football.

The trailer is even pretty cool. I might check out the one in Olympia.

yeah...off pipeline trail right?

Anna's so hot she'd even give my dog a bone.

Yeah...the chances of coming out okay are certainly against the victim - but if it saves your ass just once it makes wearing and using one worth it. They are expensive...but if they were only $100 bucks - would the reasoning to wear one / not wear one stay the same? Since they are around $300, does a pair of new boards sound like a better deal than the chance to maybe sneak out of a burial alive? I dunno...just a question...

I'm not going to say I never go out without one, but it seems your buddy is speaking from a perspective of ignorance and laziness rather than one who has enough experience and education to hedge his bets.

That's rich coming from someone who recently posted a Photoshopped image of me spanking a male stripper. WHICH by the way was not pulled because of any request made by me---someone else must have found it, er, inappropriate. I know it was meant to be funny but I was a little shocked by the picture. Ummm....nevermind. I don't know anything about it.

Gary Brill has some great Level I's at the REI in Seattle and the Bellevue Marmot. They should be coming up pretty soon.

Remember to suck those sweets whilst walking!

Cracked...you have absolutely no idea what Dwayner stands for or what he's talking about. Take your Flintstone vitamins and go to bed.

That thing was f'ing huge! It came down the east side of Foraker and was the most incredible things I've ever seen.

I got this message when I tried to upload a video just now.

It was cool meeting the Oregon crew down there. Lotsa climbing, lotsa beer, lotsa good people.

I'm leaving right...about...now!

I didn't say I saw a "lot" of bolts, just that I saw bolts next to cracks. E-Rock and Sjwyjwhatzit (Ben) were up there with me and both agreed they are unnecessary, as both climbs have been led without clipping the bolts. I didn't mention it before because it woulda just been lost among the spew and posturing in the previous threads. Like I mentioned before, I don't think it's a huge, out of control problem...yet. However Pearly Gates is a relatively new area, and to see it happen there might incline me to say that the trend is leaning that way. And, again, if it becomes a big problem then it's too late - the rock has been needlessly defaced. Given, it's only one new area out of many, but I don't want to spend all my time sniffing out errant bolts - I'd rather be climbing with my buds and having a good time. If I do see something that might be questionable I'll mention it and welcome any replies, whether contradictory or supportive. Back to topic: Listen you hosers...you aren't going to suck me into an anti-bolt debate because I'm not totally anti-bolt. I'm just saying that if new areas are going to be developed (how can they not be), I just hope that the bolt placements are discrete and well thought out. Matt - you're the poster boy for that. Jason - I'm not saying mixed climbing is stupid or dumb. I enjoy it. At the same time, you say these climbs only see action every so often because the ice doesn't form very consistently. Does a route that shows up only occasionally (compared to the dependability of Banff climbs) justify a new line of bolts to be there? I'm not sure it does, it would be nice to know more about them though. BTW: the three times I've been up Haffner it's been snowy and mostly frozen over, and I've had to jump over a couple spots. All right...I'm going to Smith now so I won't be able to read anymore till next week.

"If the van is a rockin'...."

Don't forget djidgeredoos. Those are the most annoying friggin things ever. If I see one, I'm bustin' it over my knee!

Christ...what do you guys have? A bus?

Lemme try again: Overbolting and bolting cracks is a problem...I think everyone can agree with that. Is it a problem yet? You ask 5 different people, you'll get 5 different answers. I have my own opinion, but that's neither here nor there. The bolting issue is comparable to the rainforest issue in that if we wait till there is a problem (some might say there already is one) then it's too late. It's the same argument that you could use for global warming, fossil fuels and many other environmental issues - and to me bolting is an environmental issue. These are all irreversible processes...once you put a bolt in, it's a permanent alteration of the rock. Just like the other issues I mentioned, once a disturbing trend has been identified, steps need to be taken to make sure it doesn't get out of control. MattP has been asking if it's a problem yet. When I walk up to Pearly Gates and see those bolts next to the cracks up there, I might be inclined to say it's headed in that direction.

If a couple of people walking up to the Toof' notice them, how are they not indiscrete? I don't know the age of these routes...it would be interesting to find out. Anyways, my opinion has more to do with bolting practices in the area - not the quality of the routes. I like mixed climbing and made myself feel bad on some of the routes in the Can. Rockies and if you say these routes are good...than I believe you. The problem is that bolting is a bit like the rainforests. If we wait till there is a problem, then it's too late. My dos centavos.

If I remember right, Haffner is a creek in the summer and can only be accessed in the winter when it's frozen over - I might be wrong though... Johnston Creek has that cool catwalk that's installed in the side of the cliff that allows year round use. Bolting choss is no worse...but also no better. It still shouldn't be done indescriminately. Theres a place for campfires and brokens limbs, just as there are places for bolts. These places aren't everywhere. Living in Yos for a year vs. living at Index for a year would make you a better climber. Word about the beer. Timmy sez you're beer garden enforcer this year.

Is this gonna be a CC.com only party, or a Grasslands free for all? Should we have a password for the keg? Whatever...I'll be too drunk to care either way