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sounds like a different study. yes i am being the devil's advocate, but i tend to question results of studies such as this. another point to consider: ok so let's assume trial after trial points to increased joint spacing with the above medication regime, with resultant decrease in symptoms, how would this be relevant in the typical symptomatic response to say finger pulley injury in the typical climber injury? what i've read (One Move Too Many) is that climbers tend to have LESS osteoarthritis symptoms than non-climbers, and the studies above only concerned OA.

I don't think the above is consistent with what you said earlier: This implies that only the person who gives you more time is being "considerate", and if one does not "give more time", then one is not considerate (which reveals your bias.)

yeah right, real simple. "give you the time needed".... what the fuck? "oh gee it's been 10 years now i know, but i need just another couple of years and it's mine mine all mine buahahahahaaaaaa!!!!" cleaning and bolting a line and saying "it's mine" is all about ego, NOTHING ELSE. I know, i've done it and been there, and it's an attempt to immortalize oneself; if that part didn't matter, the person would simply say to anyone who wanted to try: "have at it." Do you just spew to hear yourself? Maybe you should spend more time reading and contemplating posts before writing more bullshit. I never justified giving the FA party exclusive rights, I just pointed out some people may not honor the possible hard work you spent to prep a route. If the route wasn't an ego stroke then it wouldn't be much of a deal but it still might perturb you a bit. My point is there is NO time limit and there will ALWAYS be enough justification for SOMEONE to jump on and snag a route that's in the middle of being set up before the FA stepped back and sends it. So go troll somewhere else and get off your own high horse. If you find new route then get on it. I don't give a flying fuck what you think, but learn to read. Time to move this crap to spray. The only thing consistent with cc.com is that "All threads lead to spray". As always much appreciated. "Some of us will be considerate and give you the time needed..." I'm pretty sure you said the above, since it's a quote from your post.

you have to say it right, like a soft whisper. Like "Where have you been all my life, Josuneeeeeeeee?

a weenie that's brown on the end is not metaphorical, it's simply sexyyyyyyyyy.

you don't have to pull out ALL the research, just a little itty bitty bit. cheers.

Actually, that's not what GAIT was about, and it's not what phase two of GAIT says. GAIT was a survey of old people with established histories of osteoarthritis, and has little or no application to young people. Interestingly, GAIT phase two has preliminary results suggesting, as other studies have found that low molecular weight glucosamine/chondriton sulfate orally administered has a significant effect on joint spacing. My wife has OA, I don't. We both take g-c in an effort to keep our joint spacings from narrowing. ok so the study had 93 patients. we can assume that the placebo group had ~46 patients, and the medicated group ~46 patients. (ISK and N aren't defined, a major short-coming, but) the response rate (what exactly was the response?) was 52% for medication and 28% for placebo so in other words, ~24 patients "responded" (what does this mean?) to medication, whilst ~13 patients "responded" to a placebo. i don't know man, i can't say i'm convinced. one study, not properly defined, with undefined "results", concerning effects on clinically diagnosed osteoarthritis (is this really what climbers tend to suffer from? doubtful....)

i really need some chickens. brown egg variety. but they root up the yard. i guess i'll get a mini goat instead.

seems like a great article! i like this: Why Train? It seems every time someone asks a question about training, or attempts to have a meaningful discussion, it doesn’t take long for some moron to chime in with “I train my biceps by lifting a beer up to my fat face.” Insecure and below average climbers love to bash those of us with enough self respect to seek improvement. Someone once said: “Anything worth doing is worth doing well.” I believe this applies to climbing as well as it does anything else in life. I cannot understand the attitude of someone who would spend every weekend out on the rock, but not be at least mildly interested in getting better. another one i used to hear a lot was "well chris sharma doesn't train." well who cares? maybe he doesn't like "training". he has enough inclination to hang out and climb and try routes over and over again (ummmm, training anyone?), so that's what suits him. and can anyone say Patxi Usobiaga, Or Josune Bereciartu? Patxi in one week recently climbed two 15a's, onsighted a 14a, and onsight FA'd a 14b. Holy.... and josune, a woman with a 14d/15a to her credit, and a (controversial) 14a onsight. and do you think he trains? hell yes, both him and josune are training freaks, like full-time job training shit. (just a pet peeve, the negative creep shit-talkers!)

the idea that a person can claim a line indefinitely seems misguided at best, and it seems as though you suggest that honoring such a claim is the only polite way to proceed. I am saying that it's quite the opposite, and a decent case can be made that to claim ANY line as one's own reeks of impoliteness. Artists of Japanese tradition would not even sign their paintings because to do so would be an obvious reference to self, ie ego (ego transcendence is what they were after, although certainly not the case with most climbers today). So to me, claiming rights to a piece of publically owned rock is nothing but ego aggrandisement, and it needs to be understood as what it is. It's a need to be first, a need to be recognized, a need to leave a territorial piss mark upon the landscape of the climbing community. Whether or not you think this an acceptable form of behaviour is irrelevant really (since i concede a 6 month window for one to leave this stain), but let's at least call it what it is.

I agree that public lands are public and all, so the idea that we have "exclusive rights" to say who can and cannot climb "our" route, or when they can climb it, is marginal at best. However, there is plenty that is asinine about climbing and that doesn't stop us from having all kinds of expectations regarding other climbers' behavior. of course it doesn't stop us from having expectations, but when those specific expectations are categorically asinine (thanks!), then screw 'em. when i have a route i'm working and i'm feeling a bit attached to the FA, i simply won't disclose its locale to competing testosterone-laden apes (it's about mating rights here, and gotta protect the pussy, bitches).

yeah right, real simple. "give you the time needed".... what the fuck? "oh gee it's been 10 years now i know, but i need just another couple of years and it's mine mine all mine buahahahahaaaaaa!!!!" cleaning and bolting a line and saying "it's mine" is all about ego, NOTHING ELSE. I know, i've done it and been there, and it's an attempt to immortalize oneself; if that part didn't matter, the person would simply say to anyone who wanted to try: "have at it."

you seem to have serious problems with ego.... the idea that someone can go put bolts on a piece of rock on public land and claim it as theirs, or claim a trad line on public land, is an assenine notion. Ri-fucking-donkuluos. it's fucking ego that says "mine mine. i found it so stay off." i consider it a polite gesture to give someone 6 months to rp a route they cleaned and or bolted, nothing else. there's no friggin' personal ownership of public land, bitches.

if someone bolts a route, they should get 6 mo's, imo. 6 months. 6 months yes.

stay away from dave page's shop. another one here who's had a bad experience there. it's kinda weird that he'd be such a dick to climbers, being that he used to climb himself. is he even there himself anymore? ramuta's great, and does a pretty quick turn-around.

cool man, thanks for posting.

notice guitarist on right. lP77FwygAEo hafilax, anything of yours on youtube? what's your band called? ever listen to the local band Streets up there?

You will do what you do, and of course, my well-wishes will accompany you.

you're just sore cuz there won't be as many foreclosures for you to scoop up.

I just did, but we had a post storm. In addition to the above, consider that agriculture that depends most on pollinators, such as orchards, enjoy the lower end of these profit margins. ok excellent, the source of the problem. When you say "farming is a low margin business", it is certainly accurate as a generalization ; i myself am not big on generalizations, so that is what i took exception to. if one lives one's life according to an understanding based on generalizations, one lives a life of mediocrity, imo, since generalizations are usually short on wisdom and high on conformity. Hey, and thanks for the life coaching, sense. I've always had a problem with conformity. no sweat dude, but you can just call me Guru (capitalize the G, please!). As far as the conformity problem: your unique physique certainly keeps you outside the lines of conformity to a certain degree, but the behavioral aspects could be teased away from the common stock just a bit. How to do this? It's a difficult dilemma, since any behaviours stimulated by a reaction to some unwanted thing have that unwanted thing contained within them. I would prescribe meditation next to bald-faced wasp nests. This spring would be when to start, and it's the best time since they are a bit friendlier then. Sense, you've strayed from the eight fold path of wasp knowledge. Bald faced hornets are very benign. You can garden very close to their nests without worry. I know this: I had a basketball sized nest only 10 feet from my raised beds several years ago. You will not find bald faced hornets in the high country. I have already enlightened you on the habits of forest yellow jackets, which become aggressive in late summer and fall, not spring, sense. Until you know the physical world, you cannot know the spiritual one. ahh little one (such rich irony!). i didn't wish you to know, but since you have forced the issue, i must tell you that, at your stage of development, you must start your meditation practice with the friendlier of the wasps. you are not ready to calm the fires of the forest yellow jacket, nor are you ready for the high country. this will come with time; you cannot force the issue.

I just did, but we had a post storm. In addition to the above, consider that agriculture that depends most on pollinators, such as orchards, enjoy the lower end of these profit margins. ok excellent, the source of the problem. When you say "farming is a low margin business", it is certainly accurate as a generalization ; i myself am not big on generalizations, so that is what i took exception to. if one lives one's life according to an understanding based on generalizations, one lives a life of mediocrity, imo, since generalizations are usually short on wisdom and high on conformity. Hey, and thanks for the life coaching, sense. I've always had a problem with conformity. no sweat dude, but you can just call me Guru (capitalize the G, please!). As far as the conformity problem: your unique physique certainly keeps you outside the lines of conformity to a certain degree, but the behavioral aspects could be teased away from the common stock just a bit. How to do this? It's a difficult dilemma, since any behaviours stimulated by a reaction to some unwanted thing have that unwanted thing contained within them. I would prescribe meditation next to bald-faced wasp nests. This spring would be when to start, and it's the best time since they are a bit friendlier then.

let's see those studies.

I just did, but we had a post storm. In addition to the above, consider that agriculture that depends most on pollinators, such as orchards, enjoy the lower end of these profit margins. ok excellent, the source of the problem. When you say "farming is a low margin business", it is certainly accurate as a generalization ; i myself am not big on generalizations, so that is what i took exception to. if one lives one's life according to an understanding based on generalizations, one lives a life of mediocrity, imo, since generalizations are usually short on wisdom and high on conformity.

? maybe you can expand on your own convincing argument?

"Low margin business like agriculture"? I have family in ag, and hardly would their business qualify as "low margin". Perhaps your "understanding" is based on generalities. But you are right that the dearth of pollinators is affecting the ag business, within specific sectors. Farmers are needing to pay much higher prices for hive rental (in SOME places), and certainly this is affecting them. And if there is something I know, it's bees.