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On average, public employees earn less than comparable employees in the private sector. Why should they willingly concede the benefits that make up for the difference in salary? Um, because the person next to them is going to lose his/her job if they don't?

On average, public employees earn less than comparable employees in the private sector. Why should they willingly concede the benefits that make up for the difference in salary? Um, because there's not enough money to pay them all?

By all means, do share with us your scientific credentials...

On average, public employees earn less than comparable employees in the private sector. Why should they willingly concede the benefits that make up for the difference in salary? Um, because they don't.

So, what's your excuse?

Sorry, I meant "ward of the state."

He would be one bad-assed dad to have. (Sorry dad!)

No bitterness here. The TRs make it all worth while.

Spare me the paternal BS. You're right when you say I got the responses I expected. This was, after all, my intent. Accusations of repressed homosexuality, "pig fucker," etc., etc.--all what I expected. What did surprise me was the way that you tried to step in when I called Prole a "tool"--as if far worse isn't exchanged here on a daily basis between TTK, j_b, GGK, Choada, and others. I'd say that, overall, my return to Spray has been about as well received as JayB's civil and ongoing posts. In other words, why bother being civil at all?

I feel like I just creaked open the church door during Sunday services and shouted, "Jesus is not divine!" With the notable exceptions of Jim, Jon, and Feck, the responses here have been about the same as one would expect from religious zealots. What's more, one of the church deacons, j_b, even took (and apparently, had) the time to review scripture and formulate a response sure to keep the flock in check. Never mind that past predictions of apocalypse have come and gone--or been semantically "modified." Never mind any of this. The real question is how open the true believers here may be (either now, or at some future date) to data that says their beliefs might be flawed. This input won't come as a news headline, rather, it will come in small bits--like the OSU study. Here, rather than face the wrath of politicians and non-credentialed dogmatists like j_b, they will do exactly what the OSU folks have done. They'll hedge. Anyway, most of you can fuck off. You're a bunch of hysterical tools with too much time on your hands. :middlefinger:

Your benefit costs mirror mine (also private sector) pretty closely. What's sad is that the only thing Prole (whom I assume is a public employee) can come up with is "bummer dude." I think it's their lacking grasp of the big picture (not to mention sense of entitlement) that is the most irksome. For the most part, they really have no clue.

Actually, you cited Easterbrook's non-peer reviewed web ramblings about modern climate change and linked to a list of his peer-reviewed publications that have little to do with modern climate change. Easterbrook is/was a decent glacial geologist but his unsubstantiated theories about climate change are far from being well received, which explains why they aren't accepted for publication. You have already been told the above the first time you used this common denialist sleight of hand, so it's not like you don't know about it. Either your memory is poor or you are trying to deceive people. Which is it? Yes, we've been down this path before. But it's your memory that is fading. Feel free to respond like you did the last time: with a hobbyist website or something from HuffingtonPost. Global Climate Change, Global Warming Easterbrook, D.J., 2005, Causes and effects of abrupt, global, climate changes and global warming: Geological Society of America, Abstracts with Program, v. Easterbrook, D.J., Evenson, E.B., Gosse, J., Ivy-Ochs,S., Kovanen, D.J., and Sherard, C.A., 2004, Synchronous, global, late Pleistocene ice sheet and alpine glacial fluctuations: Geological Society of America. Easterbrook, D.J., 2003, Global, double, Younger Dryas, glacial fluctuations in ice sheets and alpine glaciers: International Quaternary Association. Easterbrook, D.J., 2003, Synchronicity and sensitivity of alpine and continental glaciers to abrupt, global, climatic changes during the Younger Dryas: Geological Society of America, Abstracts with Program, v. Easterbrook, D.J., 2002, Implications of Younger Dryas glacial fluctuations in the western U.S., New Zealand, and Europe: Geological Society of America, Abstracts with Program, v. Top of pageTOP Younger Dryas Kovanen, D.J., and Easterbrook, D.J., 2002, Extent and timing of Allerød and Younger Dryas age (ca. 12.5–10.0 14C kyr BP) oscillations of the Cordilleran Ice Sheet in the Fraser Lowland, Western North America: Quaternary Research, v. 57, p. 208–224. Easterbrook, D. J., and Kovanen, D. J., 1998, Pre-Younger Dryas Resurgence of the southwestern Margin of the Cordilleran Ice Sheet, British Columbia, Canada — Comments: Boreas, v. 27, p. 229-230. Kovanen, D. J., and Easterbrook, D. J., 1996, Extensive readvance of Late Pleistocene (Y.D.?) Alpine Glaciers in the Nooksack River Valley, 10,000 to 12,000 years ago, following retreat of the Cordilleran Ice Sheet, North Cascades, Washington: Friends of the Pleistocene, Pacific Coast Cell Field Trip Guidebook, 74 p. Top of pageTOP Quaternary Glaciation of the Puget Lowland and Pacific NW Easterbrook, D.J., 2003b, Cordilleran Ice Sheet glaciation of the Puget Lowland and Columbia Plateau and alpine glaciation of the North Cascade Range, Washington: in Easterbrook, D.J., ed., Quaternary Geology of the United States, INQUA 2003 Field Guide Volume, Desert Research Institute, Reno, NV, p. 265-286 Easterbrook, D.J., Pierce, K., Gosse, J., Gillespie, A., Evenson, E., and Hamblin, K., 2003, Quaternary geology of the western United States, INQUA 2003 Field Guide Volume, Desert Research Institute, Reno, NV, p. 19-79 Easterbrook, D.J., 2003c, Cordilleran Ice Sheet glaciation of the Puget Lowland and Columbia Plateau and alpine glaciation of the North Cascade Range, Washington: in Swanson, T.W., ed., Western Cordillera and Adjacent Areas, Geological Society of America Field Guide. Kovanen, D.J., and Easterbrook, D.J., 2002, Extent and timing of Allerød and Younger Dryas age (ca. 12,500–10,000 14C yr BP) oscillations of the Cordilleran Ice Sheet in the Fraser Lowland, Western North America: Quaternary Research, vol. 57, p. 208-224. Easterbrook, D.J., and Kovanen, D.J., 1998. Pre-Younger Dryas resurgence of the southwestern margin of the Cordilleran Ice Sheet, British Columbia, Canada — Comments: Boreas, vol. 27, p. 229–230. Easterbrook, D. J., 1994, Chronology of pre-late Wisconsin Pleistocene the Puget Lowland, Washington: in Lasmanis, R., and Cheney, E. S., Regional Geology of Washington State, Washington Division of Geology and Earth Resources, Bulletin 80, p. 191-206. Easterbrook, D. J., 1994, Stratigraphy and chronology of early to late Pleistocene glacial and interglacial sediments in the Puget Lowland, Washington: in Swanson, D. A., and Haugerud, R. A., eds., Geologic Field Trips in the Pacific Northwest, Geological Society of America, p. 1J23-38 Berger G. W., and Easterbrook, D. J., 1993, Thermoluminescence dating tests for lacustrine, glaciomarine, and floodplain sediments from western Washington and British Columbia: Canadian Journal of Earth Science, v. 30, p. p. 1815-1828. Easterbrook, D. J., 1992, Advance and retreat of Cordilleran ice sheets in Washington, U.S.A.: Geographie Physique et Quaternaire, v. 46, no. 1, p. 51-68. Clague, J. J., Easterbrook, D. J., Hughes, O. L., and Mathews, J. V., 1992, The Sangamonian and Early Wisconsinan Stages in western Canada and Northwestern United States: in Clark, P. U., and Lea, P. D., The last interglacial-glacial transition in North America: Geological Society of America Special Paper 270, p. 253-268. Blunt, D., Easterbrook, D. J., and Rutter, N. A., 1987, Chronology of Pleistocene sediments in the Puget Lowland, Washington: Washington Division of Geology and Earth Resources Bulletin 77, p. 321-353. Westgate, J. A., Easterbrook, D. J., Naeser, N. A., and Carson, R. J., 1987, The Lake Tapps tephra: an early Pleistocene stratigraphic marker in the Puget Lowland, Washington: Quaternary Research, v. 28, p. 340-355. Easterbrook, D. J., 1986, Stratigraphy and chronology of Quaternary deposits of the Puget Lowland and Olympic Mountains of Washington and the Cascade Mountains of Washington and Oregon: in Quaternary Glaciations in the Northern Hemisphere, Pergamon Press, p. 145-159. Easterbrook, D. J., Briggs, N. A., Westgate, J. A., and Gorton, M. P., 1981, Age of the Salmon Springs Glaciation in Washington: Geology, vol. 9, p. 87-93. Easterbrook, D. J., 1979, The last glaciation of northwest Washington: Society of Economic, Petroleum Geologists, and Mineralogists Symposium Volume, p. 177-189. Easterbrook, D. J., 1976, Middle and early Wisconsin chronology in the Pacific Northwest: Quaternary glaciation in the Northern Hemisphere, International Correlation Program Rept. 3, p. 90-98. Easterbrook, D. J., 1976, Geologic map of western Whatcom County, Washington: U.S. Geological Survey Map I-854-B. Easterbrook, D. J., 1976, Quaternary geology of the Pacific Northwest: in Quaternary Stratigraphy of North America, Dowden, Hutchinson, and Ross, Inc., Stroudsburg, PA., p. 441-462. Easterbrook, D. J., 1975, The last glaciation: Guidebook for International Geological Correlation Project 73/I/24, Western Washington State College Press, Bellingham, Washington, 73 p. Easterbrook, D. J., 1975, Stratigraphy and palynology of late Quaternary sediments in the Puget Lowland, Washington: Geological Society of America, Discussion and reply: v. 87, p. 153-156. Hansen, B., and Easterbrook, D. J., 1974, Stratigraphy and palynology of late Quaternary sediments in the Puget Lowland, Washington: Geological Society of America, v. 85, p. 587-602. Easterbrook, D. J., 1974, Comparisons of late Pleistocene glacial fluctuations: in Quaternary glaciations in the Northern Hemisphere, International Geological Correlation Project 73/I/24, Report no. 1, p. 96-109. Easterbrook, D. J., 1971, Geology and geomorphology of western Whatcom County, Washington: Western Washington State College Press, 68 p. Easterbrook, D. J., 1969, Pleistocene chronology of the Puget Lowland and San Juan Islands, Washington: Geological Society of America Bulletin, v. 80, p. 2273-2286. Easterbrook, D. J., 1968, Pleistocene stratigraphy of Island County, Washington: Washington State Div. of Water Resources Bulletin, v. 25, p. 1-34. Easterbrook, D. J., Crandell, D. R., and Leopold, E., 1967, Pre-Olympia stratigraphy and chronology in the central Puget Lowland, Washington: Geological Society of America Bulletin, v. 78, p. 13-20. Easterbrook, D. J., 1966, Radiocarbon chronology of Late Pleistocene deposits in northwest Washington: Science, v. 152, p. 764-767. Easterbrook, D. J., 1966, Glaciomarine environments and the Fraser Glaciation in NW Washington: Guidebook for First Annual Field Conference, Pacific Coast Section, Friends of the Pleistocene, 52 p. Armstrong, J. E., Crandell, D. R., Easterbrook, D. J., and Noble, J.A., 1965, Late Pleistocene stratigraphy and chronology in SW British Columbia and NW Washington: Geological Society of America Bulletin, v. 76, p. 321-330. Easterbrook, D. J., 1965, Guidebook for field conference J., Pacific Northwest: VII Congress, International Association for Quaternary Research, p. 68-80. Easterbrook, D. J., 1964, Guidebook to geology of Whidbey Island, Washington: Geological Society of America Field Conference, 10 p. Easterbrook, D. J., 1963, Late Pleistocene glacial events and relative sea-level changes in the northern Puget Lowland, Washington: Geological Society of America Bulletin, vol. 74, 1465-1484. Top of pageTOP Radiocarbon Marine Reservoir Effect Kovanen, D. J., and Easterbrook, D. J., 2002, Radiocarbon reservoir values for late Pleistocene marine shells in the Fraser Lowland of western north America, Kovanen, D.J., and Easterbrook, D.J., 2002, Paleodeviations of radiocarbon marine reservoir values for the NE Pacific: Geological Society of America Geology , v. 30, p. 243-246. Top of pageTOP Quaternary History of Mt. Baker and the Cascade Range Sherard, C.A., Easterbrook, D.J., Evenson, E.B., Gosse, J., Ivy-Ochs,S., and Kovanen, D.J., 2004, Late Pleistocene alpine glacial oscillations in the North Cascades, WA and Sawtooth Mts., ID and their relationship to global climatic changes: Geological Society of America, Abstracts with Program. Kovanen, D.J., and Easterbrook, D.J., 2001, Late Pleistocene, post-Vashon alpine glaciation of the Nooksack drainage, North Cascades, Washington: Geological Society of America Bulletin, v. 113, p. 274-288. Kovanen, D. J., Easterbrook, D. J., and Thomas, P.A., 2001, Holocene eruptive history of Mt. Baker, Washington: Canadian Journal of Earth Sciences, v. 38, p. 1355-1366. Thomas, P.A., Easterbrook, D.J., and Clark, P.U., 2000, Early Holocene glaciation on Mt. Baker, Washington State, USA: Quaternary Science Reviews, v. 19, p.1043-1046. Kovanen, D. J., and Easterbrook, D. J., 1996, Extensive readvance of Late Pleistocene (Y.D.?) Alpine Glaciers in the Nooksack River Valley, 10,000 to 12,000 years ago, following retreat of the Cordilleran Ice Sheet, North Cascades, Washington: Friends of the Pleistocene, Pacific Coast Cell Field Trip Guidebook, 74 p. Easterbrook, D. J., 1976, Mt. Baker eruptions: Geology, v.3, p. 679-682. Top of pageTOP Cosmogenic Dating Easterbrook, D.J., 2003, Determinaton of 36Cl production rates from the well-dated deglaciation surfaces of Whidbey and Fidalgo Islands, Washington Quaternary Research, v. 59, p.132-134 Paleomagnetism of Quaternary Deposits Easterbrook, D. J., Naeser, N. A., and Roland, J., and Carson, R. J., 1988, Application of paleomagnetism, fission-track dating, and tephra chronology to Lower Pleistocene sediments in the Puget Lowland, Washington: in Dating Quaternary Sediments, Geological Society of America Special Paper 227, p 139-165 . Easterbrook, D. J., 1988, Paleomagnetism of Quaternary sediments: in Dating Quaternary Sediments, Geological Society of America Special Paper 227, 111-122. Easterbrook, D. J., 1988, Editor, Dating Quaternary Sediments: Geological Society of America Special Paper 227, 165 p. Easterbrook, D. J., and Boellstorff, J., 1984, Paleomagnetism and chronology of early Pleistocene tills in the central U.S.: in Correlation of Quaternary Chronologies: Geobooks, Norwich, United Kingdom, p. 73-90. Easterbrook, D. J., 1978, Paleomagnetism of glacial till: Symposium on genesis of glacial deposits, International Quaternary Assoc., Zurich, Switzerland. Easterbrook, D. J., and Othberg, K., 1976, Paleomagnetism of Pleistocene sediments in the Puget Lowland, Washington: Quaternary Glaciations in the Northern Hemisphere, International Correlation Program Rept. 3, p. 189-207. Top of pageTOP Early Pleistocene of North America Easterbrook, D. J., and Boellstorff, J., 1984, Paleomagnetism and chronology of early Pleistocene tills in the central U.S.: in Correlation of Quaternary Chronologies: Geobooks, Norwich, United Kingdom, p. 73-90. Easterbrook,·D.·J., 1983 Remanent magnetism in glacial tills and related diamictons: in Symposium volume, Genesis of glacial deposits, Balkema Publ. Co., Rotterdam, Netherlands, p. 303-313. Isterbruk, D D (Easterbrook, D J.); Bullstorf, D. (Boellstorff, J.), 1982, Paleomagnetizm i khronologiya rannepleystotsenovykh moren Tsentra SShA (Paleomagnetism and chronology of early Pleistocene moraines in the central United States): Issledovaniya chetvertichnogo perioda (izbrannyye doklady XI kongressa INKVA), Studies of the Quaternary period, selected papers from the XI INQUA congress, Editors: Kartashov, I P; Nikiforova, K. V., Mezhdunarodnyy soyuz po izucheniyu chetvertichnogo perioda, XI, Moscow, USSR, Izd. Nauka, Moscow, USSR, p. 122-127. Easterbrook, D. J., and Boellstorff, J., 1981, Age and correlation of early Pleistocene glaciations based on paleomagnetic and fission track dating in North America: International Geological Correlation Program, Report. no. 6, Prague, Czech., p. 72-82. Top of pageTOP Thermoluminescence Dating Berger G. W., and Easterbrook, D. J., 1993, Thermoluminescence dating tests for lacustrine, glaciomarine, and floodplain sediments from western Washington and British Columbia: Canadian Journal of Earth Science, vol. 30, p. p. 1815-1828. Berger, G. W., Burke, R. M., Carver, G. A., and Easterbrook, D. J., 1991, Test of thermo-luminescence dating with coastal sediments from northern California: Chemical Geology, Isotope Geoscience Section, Elsesvier Science Publishers, v. 87, p. 21-37. Top of pageTOP Tephra and Volcanism Westgate, J. A., Easterbrook, D. J., Naeser, N. A., and Carson, R. J., 1987, The Lake Tapps tephra: an early Pleistocene stratigraphic marker in the Puget Lowland, Washington: Quaternary Research, vol. 28, p. 340-355. Kovanen, D. J., Easterbrook, D. J., and Thomas, P.A., 2001, Holocene eruptive history of Mt. Baker, Washington: Canadian Journal of Earth Sciences, v. 38, p. 1355-1366. Easterbrook, D. J., 1976, Mt. Baker eruptions: Geology, v.3, p. 679-682. Glaciation of the Columbia Plateau Easterbrook, D.J., Baker, V.R., and Waitt, R., 1977, Glaciation and catastrophic flooding of the Columbia Plateau, Washington: in Brown, E.H., and Ellis, R.C., eds., Geological Excursions in the Pacific NW, Geological Society of America, p. 390-414. Easterbrook, D. J., 1979, The last glaciation of northwest Washington: Society of Economic, Petroleum geologists, and Mineralogists Symposium Volume, p. 177-189.

Although she does hold a J.D. and a LL.M.--which trumps TTK's quarter and a half of post-community college work.

It would explain a few things.

Too much Co-Cain?

OMG, it's bin ten years and the glashurs r almost gone!

Try reinstalling Flash. If you fail at this, try QuickTime.

Yes, if you think this, this one model (how many models do you think paleo-climatologists, modellers, and other climate scientists work with on a regular basis at any one time, anyway? Want to venture a guess?), whose methodology is anything but settled, written by scientists still warning about the grave dangers of anthropogenic climate change is some kind of a "game-changer", then you are definitely unraveling. You & yours are the ones who've been saying this is "settled science" for the last two decades. Why the change of heart?

The fact that you tend to latch onto themes you've recently made note of on the big screen--or after you somehow manage to finish a book--indicates you possess a certain malleability. In a fallacy of the hammer kind of way.

I stated nothing beyond the boundaries of the OSU report--other than supplementing it with Don Easterbrook's peer-reviewed work at WWU. But of course when the topic is your religion I do, admittedly, lack sensitivity.

You remind me of this guy, doggonnit:

That was the BBC piece, you halfwit. the-report-IN-the-BBC-piece. eg: the Oregon State University study. Are you this dumb in person too?

Please don't spoil this for all of us.

I haven't commented much on the self-proclaimed 99%'ers. My posts are targeted toward generating angst in the hearts of those whom I know to be particularly predisposed to hypocrisy. Not sure why you always seem to be the first to jump in when TTK's fumbling all over himself--you're pretty far above him on the scale of smarts. Could be a little of that man-love worship thing that's been going around lately?

Keep it together, Ivan. You're in the wrong thread.