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Sorry Kimmo. It's just too hard to explain things to someone who thinks vaccinations are a government conspiracy, but, at the same time, thinks it's ok for dear leader to monitor his terrabits, spy on reporters, deliver guns to Mexican drug lords, and take health coverage away from one group to give to another.

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Dude, you otta hear yourself now!

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Them republicans aint the president or interfering with my life. So, basically, no, I wasn't interested.

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Has anyone here checked on Kimmo?

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Prole, I stand corrected. Touche.

Dude, did you read any of my posts? at all?

don't let socrates here you say that! WHY DID HE HATE DEMOCRACY????

Nailed it. You could substitute any other name for "Monsanto", and the issue would still be the same. And, unfortunately, your misguided argument would still be the same. My argument against GMOs (their usurpation of the natural environment) would have presented a stronger case than the one your fear-mongering, dreadlock I-522 friends managed to concoct. Again, do you think mandatory childhood vaccinations are a good idea?

Nailed it.

Dude, he was in another one of his drunken stupors. Can't we cut the guy a little slack here?

Prole fancies himself a keeper of inside knowledge; a sort of meditator perched on a higher shelf. Hence, when any sliver of common ground is acknowledged by those he views as his enemies, he rolls his eyes and sighs loudly "well duuuhuuuuh." But the real secret is this: those he perceives as his lessers are usually far more dialed in than he is--and the lonely shelf he sits on is full of volumes he has never bothered to read.

That pin looks collectible. You should dump it into a large plastic baggie and store it in the freezer.

Source Not to worry. Monsanto also purchased a company that is studying how to stop colony collapse. In 10 years Monsanto will sell plants that kill bees and as a sideline sell the antidote. Can you say Cha-ching $$$$$$$ If you've got money and don't mind ethical controversy buy their stock I don't know if this colony collapse thing is credible enough to stop the machine, but it would be interesting to see the FDA and/or Dept of Agriculture forced into performing an Environmental Assessment or a full-blown EIS under NEPA that considers all of the direct, indirect, and cumulative affects of GM seeds before they issue any more approvals for trials or patents.

Sounds like maybe you're a little too emotionally invested in this thing?

That part was pretty funny. And, after all, what girl wouldn't want that on her resume? Can you describe your responsibilities during your time at SeaWorld? Um, yes, I frolicked in a small tank with kidnapped Orcas. I tossed them fish when they performed prescribed tricks and, on occasion, I gave them supervised handjobs.

This is the correct approach, IMO. The human health/gross-out strategy is just more of the same in a long line of emotional, ideology-driven BS. It has never worked. The way these GMOs can affect the natural world is the way this 522 battle should have been fought.

Respectfully, you seem to be better at asking questions than answering them.

I don't really care for the rhetorical exercise in this case--but I hinted at the reason for this question earlier in the thread. When Upton Sinclair wrote The Jungle in 1906, he wasn't really as concerned about the disgusting meat packing practices of the day as he was systemic change on a meta level. As a committed socialist he was hoping to damage or take down the entire capitalist political-economic structure. He admitted as much when he later lamented something along the lines of "I was aiming for American's hearts but I ended up hitting their stomachs instead." One hundred and seven years later, the structure he despised remains firmly in place. I guess I'm just trying to figure out if you're nuanced in any way--or just another Upton Sinclair. edit: I am curious about your thoughts on vaccinations, though.

Kimmo, this is kind of an aside, but I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from and to what degree your position is driven by empiricism vs emotion or a particular world view. What are your thoughts on mandatory childhood vaccinations? Animal rights? Are you a vegetarian? Vegan? I'm ok with your position on 522 and I understand why a lot of folks are pushing for its passage. In fact, Jim makes a good point when he says something along the lines that "if Monsanto is against it, then I'm for it," and I'm tempted to follow this path as well. (Although it's too late; I voted No and mailed it in a few days ago.)

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Only when I can't get my backcountry overnight permit because the quota area is loaded up with guided parties.