Fairweather

The Patriot Act passed 98-1 in the Senate. But if you prefer to believe it was all GW's doing, feel free.

GW didn't have a "transformational" domestic agenda like Obama does. And I don't like Obama's agenda. Simple as that.

"burned"? Put the post up there mr archivist. Should be an easy little project for you. You do jump around man, I was lamenting folks calling folks liars without giving them the benefit of doubt for possibly making a mistake and you come up with this… wow Yes, I was one of the many Americans advocating trials for bush, cheney, and anyone else involved in in any way, the torture of prisoners captured in the "war on terror"… Others have been convicted in past for waterboarding people as a war crime. Put them in the justice system and let them defend that. A lot of us were wondering why not these guys? Why not now? That ship has sailed. It ain't gonna happen. Our current president didn't feel that would have been worthwhile somehow. I disagreed with him on that. Still do. dubya's presidency for the most part is difficult to defend IMO but you go ahead on… I didn't agree with much of what he did, or tried to do. He was without a doubt the worst president I have seen in my lifetime. Truth is, none of these guys are gonna be anything close to perfect. It's a tough job for a lot of reasons. I did like his strong push for Immigration Reform toward the end of his second term. That bill should have passed. He fought hard for it too. He also gets credit for fighting the scourge of AIDS in Africa along the way… I try not to pine for the good old days as I age but it's tough sometimes. I will commit to trying harder to heed your request not to read your posts though. I find you often make little sense, and it is a waste of time for me. d I think your context is a bit off. I have no problem with folks who say "this was the worst president in my lifetime, blah, blah, blah..." I do it too. But when you compare the often criminal legacies of LBJ/McNamara or, say, Nixon against the war criminal Bush I lose you. You can maybe make a weak case that they are equivalent. No doubt LBJ condoned the killing of soldier/citizens who crossed over in Vietnam. (And then there's the war itself.) And, of course, Bush never carpet bombed Bagdhad with B52s. Finally, not a peep here over Obama's massive escalation of drone killings in places we're not even at war with. My point here is not so much the lies. Rather, it is the silence these last 5 years from guys like you on an ever-growing list of Obama indiscretions.

Really? What changes has he offered? and he almost certainly has ignored FISA. Of course, we have no way of knowing since he hasn't bothered with the "transparent" government he promised. You can absolutely say that Bush opened the door, but Obama has not only walked through it, he's having a party on the other side where anything goes.

Um, because he does it so often--and it's so plain to see he knew it wasn't true from the start re "you can keep you insurance, doctor..." He knew it was in the legislation even as he was saying it. Of course, you are one of the guys who was calling for GW to be put on trial and "burned." Yea, you're real civil. Don't like my opinon? Don't read it. Not gonna dignify this with a response, tough guy. f

yeah, but you hated him even well before the obamacare lies, so I wonder if this is a case of someone who finally found their excuse to latch onto? I don't remember you ever getting this upset about GW Yes, with each new lie Obama confirms what I have believed to be true about him all along. So what? Bush never threatened my personal freedom in a big way--or stole my health insurance coverage.

I agree, Carter was a stand-up guy. And I think Christie will be a great president in the same vein, although with more economic savvy. It's bad enough that Obama tells all these lies. What sets him apart is the arrogance and contempt he displays for the truth as he tries to get out of his lies with yet more lies. "Uh, no, that's not what I said..."

it wouldn't be the first time someone got impeached for tapping Of course, there's no evidence (yet) that Obama wiretapped his political opponents--only our foreign allies. For his domestic opponents he uses the IRS.

Took all of 90 seconds. "Impeach Bush" -->Jim--> <10years + >5years. I must say, Jim has a full ten pages of Bushhate just in that 5 year span alone, so it's kind of surprising when he calls for calm and compliance now. ObamaCare aside; do you, Jim, now call for the impeachment of president Obama based on his wiretapping excesses?

Sadly, the only person as loony as Obama on foreign policy turns out to be...John McCain. But I don't think that McCain would have the "audacity" to lie about what he had said previously in public on a major issue. WTF? Does Obama not realize there are cameras running when he opens his hole? And some of them even have replay buttons.

All true. But I do think Obama needs to be called to account for his constant lying and laughable revisions. Censure seems reasonable given the arrogance and disregard for promises he has continuously displayed. Here's another one of my recent favorites: [video:youtube]n6ePJXR216c

In the same skit you posted he throws down the rule book for what has to be in a car for it to be legal for you to drive. This is the same thing. I am quite amazed at the reluctance of a significant portion of your country that doesnt want to join the rest of the civilized world with respect to health care. Almost as interesting as watching Rob Ford Avoiding the mire that is your shitty healthcare system is what we need to avoid down here. Yes, I agree, everyone in Canada has equally long waiting lines. (Except for the wealthy canucks who come down here for complex care.) Anyhow, in the end it boils down to this: some people trust government, and some don't.

Not trying to hit too hard here, but you were boderline hysterical back in the day, and I recall that you were calling for impeachment over wiretapping among other things. How 'bout now?

At a minimum: Repeal Obamacare. Censure the president.

Yes. Turns out they prefer a curious combination of Jimmy Carter (economic incompetence), Woodrow Wilson (arrogance and intoxication with power), and Richard Nixon (lies, paranoia). what should we do? more questions. always more questions.

Yes. Turns out they prefer a curious combination of Jimmy Carter (economic incompetence), Woodrow Wilson (arrogance and intoxication with power), and Richard Nixon (lies, paranoia).

you can find my reply @jmace

r YOu suRe yoU teach hiStory? what'd i git wrong? sure managed to bullshit the good-people on the AP board that i knew something... Did Lincoln ever pretend he or his fellow Republicans would leave the South to its own devices? More importantly, did they believe him? Apparently not, since they almost immediately seceded from the union post-election. They were probably even less convinced when Lincoln began raising a big ole army... (I think you may be a bit confused with or are conflating party lineage?)

Here's another one that Obama's "base" has willingly overlooked: [video:youtube]UQXZoM__vU0

Just not sure how you can call his latest whopper a "misstep." Stunning.

Sorry Kimmo. It's just too hard to explain things to someone who thinks vaccinations are a government conspiracy, but, at the same time, thinks it's ok for dear leader to monitor his terrabits, spy on reporters, deliver guns to Mexican drug lords, and take health coverage away from one group to give to another.

A few more lies and assorted evil deeds. NOthing you libs would care about, though... [video:youtube]eDfmUK833hc

Dude, you otta hear yourself now!

r YOu suRe yoU teach hiStory?

Them republicans aint the president or interfering with my life. So, basically, no, I wasn't interested.