Lambone

I don't think so. The first time I saw the new "trail" was in early March (aiding in the rain session). There was no debris on either trail, and the new one was freshly dug/chopped up.

P.S. - do it on a week day, and start the climb at about 4 in the afternnon after all the mounties have rapped off. Catch the sunset on top, it's the way to go!

That's a great route...you'll love it. The climbing is not the most spectacular, but you cant beat the view! The thing I like most about Ingalls is the rock is so funky..it has all this weird green polished stuff on it. Anyone know what that is? My fiance is a Geologist, and she was stumped! It'd be a good route to solo, but its some of the slipperiest rock I've seen in the Alpine!

I was there last week, some one has covered it up...but it needs more work. I'd agree that the old trail is a trough. But it didn't seem that it was eroding quickly...at least I haven't noticed any difference in the last three years. It looks like someone tried to line the trail with granite a long time ago to reduce topsoil erosion. The thing that bothers me is that whoever decided that there should be a new trail, made no attempt to erase the old trail...which would be a major project! It's like they only did the easy work,tearing up a new trail, but left the hard work for someone else. I think the old trail is bound to be there for a while, unless someone removes all the granite and takes a big rototiller to it.

You, know what really bothers me...and no its not pope, dwayner, sportos, or trad clans.... It's that new section of trail someone carved on the approach to the lower town wall...WTF! That is what realy bothers me. Who would have the nerve to do that? Why? And how is that crappy new scar supposed to be any better than the old one...and what were they planning to do about the old trail? Looks like they just wanted a trail variation just for the hell of it... That's what realy pisses me off. All this back and forth with pope is just for fun...

yeah, couldn't pull index yesterday due to important test this morning. Do you guys go there evry tuesday? I'm outa class at 10:30. lemme know if you need a belay

quote: Originally posted by Charlie: Oh yeah, I'll be there in june. Charlie, maybe we can have round 2 of CC.com camp in June. I will be there approximately 16hrs after my last final gets out!

whatever dude, I don't buy that crap...your busted and you know it... [ 05-08-2002, 05:38 PM: Message edited by: Lambone ]

ggggrrrrr...so, so what...five letters, whatever, you're still a prick. "About the trail: yes it's fast, and it follows a game migration route which, if you didn't know, seems to stay on the contour, and so erosion is minimal." "The trail is already there. It traverses the slope at a gentle grade and promotes less erosion than the standard trail. Somehow it blends in with the meadows better than your bolts and lycra blend in with the granite." My reading comprehension may suck, but your memory has gone to shit...gettin old?

ooouuuccchhhh, I read about that somewhere else recently...that'd be a world of suck! Looks like he's missing a thumb too

Pope, So more bolts are bad...but more trails are ok??? There is your contradiction. And I didn't use a single "four letter word" in this thread until now...prick. [ 05-08-2002, 04:11 PM: Message edited by: Lambone ]

Just curious...what are you guys getting after? Or is it top secret... man everyone is going on a trip..Matt, Erik, Dru, Caveman, TimL...school sucks!!!!!!!!!

Just curious...what are you guys getting after? Or is it top secret... man everyone is going on a trip..Matt, Erik, Dru, Caveman, TimL...school sucks!!!!!!!!!

At first I thought you were crazy, or full of shit...but now I understand...

You aid climbin' or somethin!? Bummer...

And using ice tools is not a form of aid? whatever... I like going sans-leashes on TR or stuff easier than 3. It adds a new element, and definately changes the style of climbing (i.e. you have to use your feet differently also). Plus it's good training for the old forearms. However, I think its silly to say that leashless is better than non leashless. It's like saying I'm better cause I did Thin Fingers with no chalk or tape!

quote: Originally posted by JayB: Launching into tirades about how bolts desecrate the environment and then bragging about the new convenience trail that you’ve blazed up instead of taking the existing trail is the literal definition of “glaring contradiction.” Hopefully we’ll be spared the “I condemn bolting because I am the epitome of the environmentally conscious climber” line from now on. [/QB] That was exactly my point JayB, nothing more, nothing less. Thanks for being the first one to acknowledge it.

Thats definately cool Dru...but there is no other place quite like Yosemite. The weather and clean granite make it worth seeing at least once.

Looks like we were all in Yosemite during that fatefull June. We saw the brigade of emergency vehicles come in from Leaning Tower , and came downthe night after it happened...we had no idea why there were big news vans everywhere...weird feeling. Getting straight on the wall is the way to go, then poach the brightest campfire the night you get down. If you bring beers the other partieres will be more than welcoming! Then repeat...

Right on Matt, I hope you have a great trip! Good luck on the Captain! hhhhmmm...yosemite stories... My favorite free climb in the Valley is the East Buttress of Middle Cathedral. Stellar cracks the whole way. One spring I met up with an Aussie woman in camp and we made plans to climb it. While racking up she asked me...(I had done the route twice before) "Do you think I could get away without bringing my shoes for the descent, they are pretty heavy. I usualy go barefoot back home..." I asked her if she had seen the decent gully, to which she replied, yes. I said, "well, then if you'd even consider doing that barefoot, then I'd say go for it!" I decided she must be a super burly woman hardened by the Outback. So we did the route and all went well. Until the descent. Yes, she did the whole thing barefoot...and those of you who've seen the gully between Middle and Higher can appreciate what a personal epic she must have had. Regardless, she still beat me down. We spent a week more in camp 4 together, and for the rest of the time, every time we ran into eachother she just scoweled at me. The moral of the story...avoid making important decisions for women at all cost. It only spells disaster... Saw lots of ice in the valley in March. Sounded like thunder for days when the sun came out and it all fell down. There are some sweet looking ice climbs over by the leaning tower! As long as it stays cold!

Ok Retro...I get your point, and you are right to a certain extent. But like Pope said, the trail up to Snow Creek Wall is one of the most eroded trails in the Cascades. Is that because of the number of bolts on Snow Creek Wall? Sport climbing and Trad climbing are not mutually exclusive. The same residual effects occur within each type of climbing. One could argue that the effects of the popularity of Trad climbing are more detrimental, because Trad climbing is generally done in more wild, i.e. sensitive areas. Pinning the blame on sport climbers is not an effective answer to the problem.

That's the problem with trying to mix spray with something that you feel strongley about...maybe I should clarify myself, Spray: Dwayner is a punk ass bitch... team pope + Dwanyner can stuff my quickdraws up their ass...etc. Important topic that I care about: Climber encroachement on wildlife habitat ie. (nesting sites, habitat corridors...) useless new emergance of trails at leavenworth and index...etc. I like that, lambone sucks!lambone sucks! lambone sucks!

I don't think most people take pipe bombs up on the regular route...

Dwayner, I'm sorry your so upset man, you should realy relax. For someone in your risk category, you should try keeping that hypertension to a minimum. Quit being such a little sensitive pansy ass bitch... Anyway, its obvious that your just trying to take the heat off pope. We all know you are just ashamed about the environmental degredation you two have caused...it's all out in the open now.