Wopper

Don't cook bacon in the nude.

Office Space - Please don't sue me or press charges.

I heard Donna Two-Step is Office Space.

If you don't mind choss and camping in an environment similar to a Wal-Mart parking lot try the forecast for Vantage. Or you could try Tieton River. It is over near Yakima(drier weather) and more appealing.

I have climbed the Disappoint Cleaver Route on Rainer in 2 days and 3 days. Three days was more enjoyable and we slept on the snowfield at about 9800 feet the first time and then went up to Ingraham Flats for the second night. I agree with Scott. Muir is a sty. Only stop long enough to relieve yourself at the outhouse. Ingraham Flats is a much nicer place to camp. Another fun, easy alpine route is the South Arete on South Early Winters Spire up at Washington Pass. Third and 4th class scrambling with sections of easy, low 5th class climbing in an absoulutely beautiful area. You could camp in the basin and combine this one with Nolan's suggestion of the Beckey route on Liberty Bell. Enjoy your trip!

I have nothing useful to say, I just want to interupt OfficeSpace's thread.

Check out the Icefields Parkway between Lake Louise and Jasper. It would take a day but it is a great drive with lots to stop and look at along the way. Enjoy.

Christopher = typical jarhead

How about 20 minute STABO's on a swiss seat? Or the special memories of rough terrain jumps at night? I won't get in depth on the beret issue as I could spend the rest of the afternoon about it and am going to Washington Pass w/ Rodchester(we served together at Bragg and he is also a Ranger School grad)but what an absolute crock of shit. I am not much of an activist but am proud to say I did my part in telling everyone from Clinton to the SGM of the Army my feelings on the issue. The whole thing makes my heart sad. Remember - Keep ambushing the folks that aim to ambush you!! [This message has been edited by Wopper (edited 07-21-2001).]

I am with Rodchester the molester on this one. The TNF Jetstream is a great pack that carries loads well. Unfortunately, TNF no longer makes them.

Sounds like a lot of ex and a few current Joe's out there. Out of curiosity, what is your story? I spent four years in the 82nd Airplane Gang down at Ft. Bragg in a Recon Plt. Graduated from Ranger School Class 3-90. Got out in July, 1991 as an E-5 and utilized the GI Bill to pay for college.

Right on MikeAdam! I didn't get much shit when I pointed out that the Battalion Commander owned a couple of uniforms with white threaded tabs.

Birth Control glasses rock. I have a pair that I use for running, riding, climbing, working in the yard etc. They cost me $38(U.S. Dru)and I don't care if I break them because of the cheapnes. Of course I have all the above listed problems and have a pair of prescription glacier glasses as well but at least if these break or are lost they are cheap to replace. Plus, chicks dig 'em. By the way mtnrngr, stumbling through the woods while on patrol doesn't do much for noise discipline.

Mtnrngr - Class 3-90. Way back when desert phase was still in Dugway!

Is Sharkfin Tower doable in a long day or would it be much more enjoyable over the week-end? We are a couple of 30-somethings, in decent but not great shape climbers. Has anyone had problems getting overnight permits in Boston Basin this summer? Thoughts?

Has anyone been up to Sharkfin lately? If so how are the conditions on the Quien Sabe? How about the trail conditions? My partner and I have never been up there so any current beta would be appreciated. Mucho Gracias.

Tell Wes to leave the cans of tuna and extra underwear at the trailhead.

My wife and I climbed Mt. Victoria a couple years ago and stayed 2 nights at the Abbott Pass Hut. Chic Scott was the care taker during our time there. He was a cool guy. Very mellow, had a lot of interesting stories to tell and was obviously, very knowledgeable about the area. Didn't read his book or Dru's review, but Chic is allright by me.

I am down with Down. I have had The North Face Snowshoe (which I only paid $18 for thanks to Rodchester) and currently have a Moonstone -5 down with Dryloft. I to have never had a bag get soaked. When it rains or otherwise sucks I am sitting on the bar stool next to Rodchester. Out of curiosity Eric, where are you getting a decent bag for $100?

Pencil Pusher - Everything is going to be allright. Kris and I are personal friends. Kris knows who the smartass disguised as Wopper is.

Why do you care?

I will be digging ditches for a sprinkler system in my yard. Any and all are welcome to come over. Swinging a pick is good training for the back and shoulders! Hopefully you guys will be having more fun than I.

I generally agree with the posts above about not picking up strangers. I would not pick up a stranger in the middle of a route going up. The consequences of incompetence can be to unforgiving. I would do everything in my power to help someone down though. My wife and I climbed Mt. Victoria in Lake Louise with this really cool guy from Calgary. We also had the opportunity to bs with him in the hut the night before and my take was that he was a quiet, unassuming, knowledgeable climber. My gut was right because he was all the above and sent us some great pictures he took of us for letting him rope up with us. My point of view, no hitchhikers unless I feel comfortable.

I was with Rodchester when we did the Owens-Spalding. The ice definitely made it a challenge. I lead the entire thing in a pair of OR Windstopper gloves. It is a fun, fairly easy route that I would recommend to moderate climbers w/o any experience in the Tetons. I would also agree with the posts about taking a few days and enjoying the area and the Tetons. It really is a beautiful place. We did not have any problems with the permit system(it was early September) that others spoke of. Remember to make your reservations for the Climber's Ranch as soon as you get there. It is cheap, clean and the people we met were very cool. Enjoy!

When we did the O-S there was only one guided party ahead of us and they had a good lead on us and were moving pretty quickly. I do not remember seeing anybody behind us. We had the summit to ourselves and were up there for 45 minutes or so. However, we did it the week after Labor Day and a few days before we arrived the area got 18" of snow. The crowds had thinned and apparently, a lot of people did not want to deal with the ice/snow. Like the other posts above state, there are a lot of routes up there. There is a decent book with a blue cover and I believe the name is 50 Classic Climbs in the Tetons. I forget the name of the author. Prioritize some that look appealing and then talk to the rangers for the local beta. The rangers can be a bit stand-offish at first but if they realize you aren't a total gumby they warm up and have loads of good info. They truly are climbing rangers and know the area very well.