rr666 Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 I love politicians. The parks raise their fees to have more money to keep parks open, and then the state takes it all and more, leaving the parks worse off than before they raised the fees. Why parking fees leave a lot to be desired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 Well, you voted for Comrade Locke didn't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 Doubtful, the RedRocker is on the RIGHT side from what I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr666 Posted December 19, 2002 Author Share Posted December 19, 2002 hell no!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 Oops, I apologize for the slam. Please forgive me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr666 Posted December 19, 2002 Author Share Posted December 19, 2002 Apology accepted. Now DON'T do it again . cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 Sorry, I'm still trying to figure out who my right wing allies are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 Personally, I'd pay $5.00 a day to go to Peshastin or Index, but I'd hope that they would then set up Index with a nice bathroom and some picnic tables, or maybe maintain the trails, because it would bug me to pay the fee and get nothing for it. By the way, Trask, do you think Gary Locke is some kind of liberal? With democrats like that, who needs republicans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpine_Tom Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 "I love politicians" That's an interesting group to blame. We're the ones who keep voting to cut taxes and expect more services. Maybe Locke's budget-cutting plan wasn't exactly what you (or I) would have designed, but it's hard to see where the money's going to come from to pay for all the benefits we continue to demand from government -- like free parks, subsidized ferries, smaller class sizes, more police, longer prison sentences, road maintenance, subsizided stadiums for the local professional football teams... Oh right, "waste, fraud and mismanagement." That should cover it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 The largest park fee funds go to the biggest park generators, It has nothing to do with state fees or taxes Tom. It's a big pool of funds.. Or it was last time I checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr666 Posted December 19, 2002 Author Share Posted December 19, 2002 I guess you assumed that I am expecting all of these sevices. I think that we (as a state and nation) do way too much and pay excessively for it. Yes, I usually do vote for tax cuts, but I also vote against new programs and eveything else that costs money, like the whole stadium debacle. I do not think ferries should be subsidized, it is your choice to live where you want, and if you can't afford to take the ferry across the sound to get to work, they you should find a new place to live. I don't need free parks, I am willing to pay a user fee, if it is reasonable and the money stays with the parks. I would pay the $35 for a yearly parking pass to the parks, or $5 a day. IF the money is going to stay with the parks. Why should I pay a fee to the parks that is going to pay for keeping someone in prison, or to build a new stadium. And I do agree that there is waste and all that crap, but it is everywhere, in private corporations, and government. I think private corporations have done a better job of cleaning up because they have shareholders to make happy. sorry for the rant, but these are a few of my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpine_Tom Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 "I think private corporations have done a better job of cleaning up because they have shareholders to make happy." I guess this is ultimately a matter of opposing faiths, but I've worked in enough private corporations (Boeing and Aetna, in particular) to assure you that the waste there is on a level that would make a government bureaucrat (or boss Tweed) blush. Back on the subject of parking fees, I remember a few years ago they were discussing charging admission to the Folklife festival, until they ran the numbers and discovered that it would take an admissions charge of $4 (if memory serves) just to cover the cost of charging admission. Once admissions fees are instituted, whether they're cost-effective or not, they become perpetual, and they can never be reduced. All they'll do is piss off people who feel like they already pay for the resource (trail parking permits, anyone?) and people who don't mind paying but don't have the cash on hand (my usual response to parking meters) and encourage people to demand more services (like mattp) for the money. And, keep out the few who truely can't afford the parking costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted December 19, 2002 Share Posted December 19, 2002 Parks Finance Page Parking fees as in most user fees are a fraud! The State has a history of not meeting its commitments with regard to them. The use of user fees has resulted the state having an interest in maintaining a budgetary state of crisis. The above link has lots of great info. I suggest everyone take the time to read the fiancial info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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