Violence Against Women Act

[rob]

If you think I'm hard on her because of her position, as opposed to her (lack of) reasoning, then you didn't understand a single thing I said other than the word "retard"

[pink]

If you think I'm hard on her because of her position, as opposed to her (lack of) reasoning, then you didn't understand a single thing I said other than the word "retard"

 

 

i noticed you deleted your last post, that's allowed i look at saying the word retard as a negative thing. negative things could lead to violence. if you tell ur gf she is being a bitch she is pretty much gonna hear " you called me a bitch" if she calls the cops on you.... guess what rob? chances are you are going to jail, cause the cops r going to deem that as a violent act. give it a try sometime mister.

 

you and trash are so against violence and fighting the good fight, perhaps you might want to be a little more nice about it cause it might lead to violence one day. i don't know if you read what mattp said about him getting death threats etc.cause of something he said in spray but this shit really happens in real life. not that i'm formulating or plotting any acts of violence but if ur gonna be a do gooder then you might wanna tighten up ur approach.

 

i agree with everything this girl says. if trash wants call me an idiot that's fine, i'm not gonna lose any sleep over it... but that in no way is the path to a kinder gentler world that you so desire.... just saying.

[Crux]

I agree wit efferthing she say'd. An I like teh part about constitutional best because it gets down to it, unlike some.

[rob]

 

i agree with everything this girl says. if trash wants call me an idiot that's fine, i'm not gonna lose any sleep over it... but that in no way is the path to a kinder gentler world that you so desire.... just saying.

 

You believe that the violence against women act is actually unconstitutional? That sounds preposterous. But I've never actually seen the constitution, so my data is no better than yours.

 

I'd love to hear someone make an argument that it's ineffective, but that doesn't seem to be the case from my short googles. She certainly didn't try to make a case.

 

The law provides many good things -- a rape shield law, protections against eviction, legal aid and funding for community service outreach. Hence, the cost.

 

It doesn't have language in it that would make "annoying your wife" a crime. I don't know why she thinks that.

 

Regarding constitutionality, the supreme court has already heard this case, and already removed parts that were unconstitutional on grounds of federalism, and left in place other parts related to funding.

 

If republicans think this program isn't helpful and costs too much, I'm willing to hear that argument. But it makes me sad that you think her discussion of the issue was noteworthy.

 

From my news feeds, it sounds like the biggest objection republicans have to this is that the renewal of the law adds same-sex couples and illegal immigrants to the funding. None of them are complaining about the money or the law itself, in fact many of them are saying they will vote for it if democrats remove the new language allowing battered illegal-immigrants to get temporary visas, and same-sex couples to get funding protection. Doesn't that make you sad?

 

I don't know where she got all of that stuff she was talking about, it's like she isn't even nominally familiar with the law or its history.

 

 

 

[tvashtarkatena]

I was sincere Pink, but I'll stop wasting my time in that regard. You used to be fun and kind of clever, now you've decided to be a dick for its own sake for some reason. Boring and kind of sad.

 

Yeah, yeah, I got a threat from the same poster as MattP...as did Ivan, as did....You didn't? Don't feel too left out. I gave it the same consideration as I give your 'warning' or whatever that was.

 

 

[rob]

I never got any death threats

 

People must not take me seriously. I know my kids don't! Badum chssh!

[ivan]

let's get to brass tacks: is "tard" or "raytard" or "weapons-grade retard" the same as the clinical "retard?" or is it more like "ghey" vs "gay"

 

no need for me to see said video - obviously, if democrats are for it, republicans are temperamentally required to despise it - a retarded situation for sure

[Crux]

I jus feel it. What she said. Never tellin' when some bitch gonna lock you up just fer calling her a bitch. Next thing, she dials 911 and yer screwed. No way we should allow that. She telling the cops that she's scared of you, screaming she's a bitch and all. Next thing, the cops taking you to jail 'cause some libtard federal law that breaks the constitution anyway. Main thing, we can't be letting a bunch of uppity bitches pull this shit. Things are bad enough already. Sorry you bully raytards don't get it, mister.

[ivan]

i always told meself that, if i had a wife, i'd have to beat her...yet this one has proved too difficult to rationalize such brute behavior towards though, what w/ the regular home-cooked dinners after a long day at work, hummers n' hotdogs on a regular basis, and keeping the kidoes out of my shit - now if only i could get her to do my laundry...

[tvashtarkatena]

You wash your clothes? Since when, mister?

Edited February 16, 2013 by tvashtarkatena

[ivan]

You wash your clothes? Since when, mister?

my point exactly

 

though this morning i did break down and throw the whole lot of my stinking socks n' soiled drawers into the hopper...

 

the first washing after that month in the valley this past summer

[tvashtarkatena]

The GOP line that the state is just 'interfering with families' is an interesting one. Tell that to the mother who had to go to the hospital with a broken rib because her husband kicked her in the stomach, the wife who has a permanently crooked arm because her previous husband broke it, or the 8 year old girl who was dragged around her front yard by her hair for dropping a glass of milk on the floor. This are all just a few of an unfortunately large catalog of first person anecdotes.

 

All rights to the abuser, right? Fuck the victims, right?

 

Assault is assault, whether you know or live with the person or not. People will do what they can continue to get away with. Drunk driving (down by half since the state starting cracking down), littering (ditto), domestic violence, date rape, and stalking (ditto...until now, of course).

 

And people are people, illegal immigrants, homosexuals, and native americans included. A person in the United States should expect that the state will punish violence committed against them. This is a very basic role. Providing TEMPORARY visas for illegal victims of DC enables them to be witnesses, which enables the state to prosecute their abusers. This is a bad thing, somehow? If the abusers is a legal, I guess we just let them go to do it again, right?

 

Millions of families are fucked up. Drug/booze abuse, mental illness, psychopathy - these folks bear children. Protecting the lives and basic physical security of these people is the least the state can do. Providing them with proven alternative ways to learn achievement skills and non-violent socialization through things like preschool (probably the number one most effective thing the state can do to mitigate the life long damage done by a shitty family situation) is not just humane, its cheaper - than perpetuating the problem.

 

Ask any beat cop about domestic violence and how much of their day they spend dealing with it.

 

The difference between my childhood, when (mainly) men backhanded, punched, kicked, and humiliated members of their family with impunity, and today, where they know a 911 call will lead to their certain arrest, is stark. Domestic violence still happens, but the Violence Against Women act has hugely changed that landscape for the better.

 

This isn't about spanking/no spanking. This is about putting primarily kids and women in the hospital...or the morgue. This is about truncating their ability to have happy relationships themselves.

 

The GOP should be ashamed. It's not - not in their playbook, apparently.

Edited February 16, 2013 by tvashtarkatena

[tvashtarkatena]

Regarding the ridiculous 'unconstitutional' claim, this is a common Tea Party line - and one that sadly belies an abject ignorance of basic civics.

 

Comprehensive legislation can include hundreds or thousands of pages. One or more of its many sections may be challenged on constitutional grounds, as in the case of the VAWA. This is a common and normal function of our system of checks and balances and part of why we have a judiciary in the first place. Most legislators are not legally trained, and fewer still are constitutional experts. A lot of legislators don't actually subscribe to various parts of the constitution - decades long attempts to infuse kristian beliefs into policy, in direct violation of the 1st Amendment, comes to mind. Thus, legislation containing a section or two that will later be ruled to be unconstitutional is passed all the time.

 

Finding one or two sections of a piece of comprehensive legislation does not make the entire law unconstitutional any more than removing a wart kills the previous owner. That's a really, really stupid (to the point of retardation, if you will) and largely meaningless debate point, but its also a really, really common one, at least as far as the Tea Party is concerned.

 

Putting your ignorance out there on U tube and FB - whether ginned up by the RNC or Tea Party leaders as a fake grass roots thing (really common) or as part of an amateur hour, puts yourself out there for criticism. I would guess no one forced this young, ignorant women to make such retarded non-arguments against the VAWA. You attempt to disseminate ignorance and outright lies, you can expect a little feedback, no?

 

I realize the people like Pink have no clue what this issue is all about - they don't bother to check what's in the law or what the results of been. They're just taking the piss as part of a standard anti-librul troll. To some of us who've witnessed this kind of violence first hand for many years, and who know and love others with the same past, its actually a very real issue, however.

Edited February 16, 2013 by tvashtarkatena

[pink]

ask any BEAT cop about domestic violence and how much of their day they spend dealing with it

 

was that some sort of freudian slip

 

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Police-domestic-violence-nearly-twice-average-rate-2536928.php

Edited February 17, 2013 by pink

[denalidave]

ask any BEAT cop about domestic violence and how much of their day their day they spend dealing with it

 

was that some sort of freudian slip

 

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Police-domestic-violence-nearly-twice-average-rate-2536928.php

At least they have the guns in case something goes wrong...

 

[ivan]

"VAWA" - sounds kinda like a chick w/a busted mouth trying to say....

[ivan]

so long as the replicants are happy to keep pushing all the minorities n' women in the nation towards our camp w/ this bat-shit crazy behavior, i say bully, bully, bully for them!

[tvashtarkatena]

This is what happens when your bubble pops. The GOP inserted Kristian cock up its ass during the holy roller heyday, but when folks finally wake up en masse to the scam, the paypack is swift, sure, and very long lasting. That's kinda what happens when you openly declare war on 2/3 of the electorate and science.

 

Now the RNC must decide between wiping its Dog fearin', snake kissin' base off its Berlutis, machine gunning the Tea Baggerz in the process, or continued shrinkage for the next generation or so.

 

Considering that Cialis seems to represent 90% of the FOX ad budget, I'd say they'll need to buy an electron microscope within about 10 years.

 

Now that Karl Rove has declared open season on the Tea Baggerz, the next few years should be very entertaining as we watch dumbshit blowhard after dumbshit blowhard find their campaign coffers not-so-mysteriously on the light side.

 

As Christine O'Donnel found out in no uncertain terms, stupid doth not a long term survival strategy make in this brave new world of liquid information.

 

 

Edited February 17, 2013 by tvashtarkatena

[pink]

Considering that Cialis seems to represent 90% of the FOX ad budget, I'd say they'll need to buy an electron microscope within about 10 years.

 

 

looks like urs just kicked in....

 

 

[tvashtarkatena]

Not yet, knock on wood, but should that need ever rear its head, I'll happily take the plunge, grateful for all that modern pharmacology has to offer today's aging lecher.

 

It is kind of funny that ED is apparently the number one affliction among FOX regulars, despite all the supplemental testosterone fueled swagger.

 

Dumbshit bullying doth not a great sex life make. Or doth lack of sex a dumbshit bully make?

 

Edited February 17, 2013 by tvashtarkatena

[pink]

Dumbshit bullying doth not a great sex life make. Or doth lack of sex a dumbshit bully make?

 

 

are you referring to yours and ivans circle jerk?! or are you just pissed that ivans to cheap to pay for half the room because he can still get a hard on?.....

Edited February 17, 2013 by pink

[tvashtarkatena]

Can you switch to English?

[pink]

i'm sorry i was speaking N Korean, they are easily confused... perhaps someone over exceeded the max psi on your head...

[pink]

too bad they didn't have this act back in the 70's, they could have added altar boys to the steaming pot... and then you would have gotten the mental health you needed.

[rob]

too bad they didn't have this act back in the 70's, they could have added altar boys to the steaming pot... and then you would have gotten the mental health you needed.

 

Isn't it a shame they want to spend some money on domestic welfare programs like mental health for assault victims? That money could all be spent on wars and bailouts for investment banks instead!

 

It's bad enough to spend it on women but now they want to add gays and Mexicans???!!