Drive over fiscal cliff - yes!

[Jim]

Oh, I will get dinged, but I'll manage. I just don't think "borrow and spend" is fiscally responsible. Just for the record here's what I said way back in mid 2011.

 

 

But - it isn't going to solve the problem. The unfunded Medicare drug program (should repeal that dog) and two wars - plus the down economy has us digging a deeper hole. Let the Bushie era tax breaks expire, remove the limit on Social Security Tax ( I think it stops at about $102k), and yes, let all Bush tax cuts - including the middle class ones, expir

e.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Oh, I will get dinged, but I'll manage. I just don't think "borrow and spend" is fiscally responsible. Just for the record here's what I said way back in mid 2011.

 

 

But - it isn't going to solve the problem. The unfunded Medicare drug program (should repeal that dog) and two wars - plus the down economy has us digging a deeper hole. Let the Bushie era tax breaks expire, remove the limit on Social Security Tax ( I think it stops at about $102k), and yes, let all Bush tax cuts - including the middle class ones, expir

e.

 

Yeah, and what were you "saying" in 2001-2003?

[Jim]

The same thing - unnecessary war and stupid to have a tax cut.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

The same thing - unnecessary war and stupid to have a tax cut.

 

Just about every dem harped on the Bush tax cuts ONLY affecting the wealthy in any substantive way. Now everyone is saying, woah, hold on... let's rethink reverting them all back to Clinton levels.

 

And you damn well know it.

 

 

[matt_warfield]

Congress has been trying to solve the fiscal cliff with the recent strategy of:

 

FUBAR

 

In my opinion, signing pledges to never increase taxes is like giving up your ability to negotiate, compromise, and otherwise think for yourself. Be yourself and not a proxy and you may get my vote.

Edited December 28, 2012 by matt_warfield

[Jim]

The same thing - unnecessary war and stupid to have a tax cut.

 

Just about every dem harped on the Bush tax cuts ONLY affecting the wealthy in any substantive way. Now everyone is saying, woah, hold on... let's rethink reverting them all back to Clinton levels.

 

And you damn well know it.

 

 

You asked what I was saying back then - and I told you.

 

But - if your point is that Congress went along - yep, they are to blame as well - but more so the Repubs since they were in charge. In the 2001 cuts in the Senate vote 12 Dems crossed over. The 2003 cuts were more controversial since both wars had started. It was passed by reconciliation and the Senate vote was 50-51, with VP Darth Vader breaking the tie. Only 2 Dems crossed over for that vote.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

The same thing - unnecessary war and stupid to have a tax cut.

 

Just about every dem harped on the Bush tax cuts ONLY affecting the wealthy in any substantive way. Now everyone is saying, woah, hold on... let's rethink reverting them all back to Clinton levels.

 

And you damn well know it.

 

 

You asked what I was saying back then - and I told you.

 

But - if your point is that Congress went along - yep, they are to blame as well - but more so the Repubs since they were in charge. In the 2001 cuts in the Senate vote 12 Dems crossed over. The 2003 cuts were more controversial since both wars had started. It was passed by reconciliation and the Senate vote was 50-51, with VP Darth Vader breaking the tie. Only 2 Dems crossed over for that vote.

 

I'm not going to go searching all your posts, but I bet you did the oversimplified "tax cuts for the rich" schtick plenty. The fact is, Bush's tax cuts were across the board, and they were substantive for the middle class. Now that they may be reverted, all dem rhetoric on the subject gets a bright light shone right on it. Yes I know that is painful - the truth often is.

 

I say drive over the fiscal cliff - at least the tax increases also are bound to severe budgetary cuts across the board - and that's the most important thing right now.

 

[ivan]

No. That's not true. I've been consistent on the need to get read of ALL the Bushie tax cuts. They were irresponsible and have significantly contributed to our present position - that and running an unnecessary invasion of Iraq. AND the logic of running those wars as "off-budget" items. Brilliant.

 

I hope they revert to the Clinton tax levels and that they impact you personally more than you anticipate, and I hope it hurts badly.

and it's the right that accuses the left of a "war on christmas"