Amish milk farm raid

[j_b]

People are not so good at risk assessment, and we all readily accept risks inherent in supposedly regulated agricultural products that greatly exceed the threats posed by raw milk.

 

Good point. CDC identified 800 cases of illnesses due to raw milk products since 1998, versus 76 millions food-borne illnesses per year.

 

Do you have a source for that? I'm not second guessing the source I just have been trying to find CDC information pertaining to raw milk directly, with limited success.

 

from CDC via fda: http://www.fda.gov/Food/ResourcesForYou/Consumers/ucm079516.htm

[j_b]

800 cases in a 3 state region as opposed to 76 million cases in Canada, US, and Mexico???

 

 

? why would you assume that these numbers aren't for the USA?

[j_b]

800 cases in a 3 state region as opposed to 76 million cases in Canada, US, and Mexico???

 

800 cases out of 80000 servings as opposed to 76 million cases out of 76 billion servings of food?

 

Just throw stats around j_bot... w/o the requisite details to provide appropriate meaning/context.

 

it doesn't take a clairvoyant to understand nobody knows the number of servings, retard.

[j_b]

There's a certain level of decision making that the government can't assume for adults in a functioning civilization. Choosing what kind of milk to drink, deciding whether or not to fornicate with a light-socket, etc just aren't amongst them. IMO any and all efforts beyond enforcing rules that require raw milk to be labeled as such are a massive waste of money.

 

we already know that current Somalia is your golden age society.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

800 cases in a 3 state region as opposed to 76 million cases in Canada, US, and Mexico???

 

800 cases out of 80000 servings as opposed to 76 million cases out of 76 billion servings of food?

 

Just throw stats around j_bot... w/o the requisite details to provide appropriate meaning/context.

 

it doesn't take a clairvoyant to understand nobody knows the number of servings, retard.

 

Just a minor detail, eh fuck face?

 

800 cases out of 800 servings sounds pretty bad. 800 out of 8 million, a lot better.

 

Comparing 800 to 76 millions without appropriate context is meaningless. But I understand that your mental illness may prevent such understanding.

[tvashtarkatena]

Raw milk is killing us.

 

Death to the Amish.

[tvashtarkatena]

Raw milk is murder.

[j_b]

It's not a minor detail but since raw milk sales are legal in ~half the states, it's not unreasonable to assume the number of servings of raw milk per year is a large number. Your inability to handle the simplest thought processes isn't my responsibility.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

It's not a minor detail but since raw milk sales are legal in ~half the states, it's not unreasonable to assume the number of servings of raw milk per year is a large number. Your inability to handle the simplest thought processes isn't my responsibility.

 

And 300 million Americans eat multiple servings of food a day, so 76 million cases of food-born illness for such a large population over years would be reasonable too - you half-witted fucktard.

[rob]

My uncle is a dairy farmer. I've tasted plenty of raw milk. Anybody who claims it tastes any different is full of shit.

 

However, nonhomogenized milk does indeed taste MUCH better -- creamier, etc. This is probably why people think raw milk tastes better. But, you can buy pasteurized, nonhomogenized milk, it's quite common. It tastes EXACTLY THE SAME. And doesn't have the bacteria.

 

I don't care if people want to drink raw milk. But don't make fucking retarded claims about it and how it tastes just SOOOOO MUUUUUCCHH BETTTTEERRR.

[j_b]

It's not a minor detail but since raw milk sales are legal in ~half the states, it's not unreasonable to assume the number of servings of raw milk per year is a large number. Your inability to handle the simplest thought processes isn't my responsibility.

 

And 300 million Americans eat multiple servings of food a day, so 76 million cases of food-born illness for such a large population over years would be reasonable too - you half-witted fucktard.

 

First, you can't fucking read as the 76 million foodborne illnesses is per year. Second, there is a ~6 orders of magnitude difference between 76 millions/yr and ~80/yr, so even if you assume 100,000 servings of all foods versus 1 of raw milk, you get 10 times more contamination with other foods.

 

Finally, nobody claimed it was a perfect comparison but it is instructive nonetheless. Now fuck off, troll.

Edited June 2, 2011 by j_b

[j_b]

My uncle is a dairy farmer. I've tasted plenty of raw milk. Anybody who claims it tastes any different is full of shit.

 

However, nonhomogenized milk does indeed taste MUCH better -- creamier, etc. This is probably why people think raw milk tastes better. But, you can buy pasteurized, nonhomogenized milk, it's quite common. It tastes EXACTLY THE SAME. And doesn't have the bacteria.

 

I don't care if people want to drink raw milk. But don't make fucking retarded claims about it and how it tastes just SOOOOO MUUUUUCCHH BETTTTEERRR.

 

I never said raw milk tasted better since I have not drunk raw milk in 40+ years but I have eaten plenty of raw milk cheeses over that period and I can tell the difference (and I am far from being the only person who can tell as most food expert would confirm). Pasteurization kills all bacteria, good and bad, that are necessary for a cheese to age properly. Bacteria are added after pasteurization to allow aging to occur but nowhere with the variety and quantity needed to form the perfect cheese. Lesson over. Now I have work to do.

[G-spotter]

American milk is full of bovine growth hormone, raw or not. Ewwww.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

It's not a minor detail but since raw milk sales are legal in ~half the states, it's not unreasonable to assume the number of servings of raw milk per year is a large number. Your inability to handle the simplest thought processes isn't my responsibility.

 

And 300 million Americans eat multiple servings of food a day, so 76 million cases of food-born illness for such a large population over years would be reasonable too - you half-witted fucktard.

 

First, you can't fucking read as the 76 million foodborne illnesses is per year. Second, there is a ~5 orders of magnitude difference between 76 millions and 800, so even if you assume 10000 servings of all foods versus 1 of raw milk, you get 10 times more contamination with other foods.

 

Finally, nobody claimed it was a perfect comparison but it is instructive nonetheless. Now fuck off, troll.

 

You made no such comment on duration (1 year). You posted a bullshit claim with no specific details and then eventually a link. FOAD, j_bot.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

My uncle is a dairy farmer. I've tasted plenty of raw milk. Anybody who claims it tastes any different is full of shit.

 

However, nonhomogenized milk does indeed taste MUCH better -- creamier, etc. This is probably why people think raw milk tastes better. But, you can buy pasteurized, nonhomogenized milk, it's quite common. It tastes EXACTLY THE SAME. And doesn't have the bacteria.

 

I don't care if people want to drink raw milk. But don't make fucking retarded claims about it and how it tastes just SOOOOO MUUUUUCCHH BETTTTEERRR.

 

I never said raw milk tasted better since I have not drunk raw milk in 40+ years but I have eaten plenty of raw milk cheeses over that period and I can tell the difference (and I am far from being the only person who can tell as most food expert would confirm). Pasteurization kills all bacteria, good and bad, that are necessary for a cheese to age properly. Bacteria are added after pasteurization to allow aging to occur but nowhere with the variety and quantity needed to form the perfect cheese. Lesson over. Now I have work to do.

 

Your raw milk cheese probably costs $25 a pound and is imported from France, so of course it tastes better.

 

Why don't you post some details - like what cheese you purchased, how much it cost, where it was made, and to what cheese you are comparing it to.

 

 

[tvashtarkatena]

American milk is full of bovine growth hormone, raw or not. Ewwww.

 

Nope. Non BGH milk, organic and non, is available at any grocery store.

[j_b]

You made no such comment on duration (1 year).

 

liar. This is what I said: "Good point. CDC identified 800 cases of illnesses due to raw milk products since 1998, versus 76 millions food-borne illnesses per year."

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

You made no such comment on duration (1 year).

 

liar. This is what I said: "Good point. CDC identified 800 cases of illnesses due to raw milk products since 1998, versus 76 millions food-borne illnesses per year."

 

Undoubtedly you just edited that and unclicked the "edit" button to hide it. Kind of your style, j_bot.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

American milk is full of bovine growth hormone, raw or not. Ewwww.

 

Nope. Non BGH milk, organic and non, is available at any grocery store.

 

Several grocery chains changed their store brands to non-rBGH years ago.

[j_b]

Your raw milk cheese probably costs $25 a pound and is imported from France, so of course it tastes better.

 

What shitty logic. The high price of imported cheeses is due to tariffs, the strength of the Euro, and artisanal methods.

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Your raw milk cheese probably costs $25 a pound and is imported from France, so of course it tastes better.

 

What shitty logic. The high price of imported cheeses is due to tariffs, the strength of the Euro, and artisanal methods.

 

So tell us, asshole, what cheeses you eat that are raw milk vs. non, where they come from and how much they cost. Or, you could just STFU for once.

 

 

[JayB]

There's a certain level of decision making that the government can't assume for adults in a functioning civilization. Choosing what kind of milk to drink, deciding whether or not to fornicate with a light-socket, etc just aren't amongst them. IMO any and all efforts beyond enforcing rules that require raw milk to be labeled as such are a massive waste of money.

 

we already know that current Somalia is your golden age society.

 

Yes. Raw milk, with labels => Somalia.

 

Question: Should an adult that can't evaluate the risks and benefits associated with consuming *labeled* raw milk be allowed to vote, drive, etc?

[G-spotter]

the strength of the Euro,

 

Euro' s in the tank these days what with Greece, Ireland, Portugal, etc

[j_b]

You made no such comment on duration (1 year).

 

liar. This is what I said: "Good point. CDC identified 800 cases of illnesses due to raw milk products since 1998, versus 76 millions food-borne illnesses per year."

 

Undoubtedly you just edited that and unclicked the "edit" button to hide it. Kind of your style, j_bot.

 

That must be why Jordan Sahl (sp?) quoted me writing "per year" at 11:46 last night. Idiot.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

You made no such comment on duration (1 year).

 

liar. This is what I said: "Good point. CDC identified 800 cases of illnesses due to raw milk products since 1998, versus 76 millions food-borne illnesses per year."

 

Undoubtedly you just edited that and unclicked the "edit" button to hide it. Kind of your style, j_bot.

 

That must be why Jordan Sahl (sp?) quoted me writing "per year" at 11:46 last night. Idiot.

 

and I read your post at 11:30 last night before you edited, f-tard.