the truth emerges in wisconsin fight

[Nitrox]

So what you're saying is that you're no longer in favor of "shove it down their throat" style of politics?

[prole]

You mean like fast tracking privatization schemes for political cronies?

[prole]

Or pushing through tax cuts for the rich while decrying a state revenue shortfall?

[j_b]

or pushing through tax cuts, then requiring a 2/3 majority to increase taxes?

[prole]

Heelllooo? Obnox, are you there?

[Nitrox]

Or exempting unions from Obamacare?

[Nitrox]

Crybabies.

[prole]

Great, another soldier in Kojak's Know-Nothing Barbarian Horde...

[j_b]

[Nitrox]

The single largest piece if legislation since Social Security and the unions gets exempted from the mandate. Its clear that Walker is not only solving their budget shortfall and also breaking it off in the Union's ass. I really don't see a downside.

 

After what's been done and said over the last two years here's a does of "shove it down their throats" and "fuck off" all at once. It was all good when it was your program but now that its not your just a bunch of hand wringing whiny bitches.

 

How do you like them apples?

 

 

[rob]

well, at least you admit this is about political revenge, and not common sense. Kudos, I guess.

[prole]

Actually governing might be kind of nice, you know. But hey, vengeance, scapegoating, and disaster politics have always worked for Republicans!

[prole]

I heard Scott Walker's building a Thunderdome. That's going to totally ROCK, brah!!

[Nitrox]

You forgot poopy-face, little buddy.

[j_b]

the data indicates that state and local government employees in Wisconsin are not overpaid. Comparisons controlling for education, experience, organizational size, gender, race, ethnicity, citizenship, and disability reveal that employees of both state and local governments in Wisconsin earn less than comparable private sector employees. On an annual basis, full-time state and local government employees in Wisconsin are undercompensated by 8.2% compared with otherwise similar private sector workers. This compensation disadvantage is smaller but still significant when hours worked are factored in. Full-time public employees work fewer annual hours, particularly employees with bachelor’s, master’s, and professional degrees (because many are teachers or university professors). When comparisons are made controlling for the difference in annual hours worked, full-time state and local government employees are undercompensated by 4.8%, compared with otherwise similar private sector workers. To summarize, our study shows that Wisconsin public employees earn 4.8% less in total compensation per hour than comparable full-time employees in Wisconsin’s private sector.

 

These compensation comparisons account for important factors that affect earnings, the most important of which is the educational levels of public employees. When comparing public and private sector pay it is essential to consider the much higher levels of education required by occupations in the public sector. As a consequence of these requirements, Wisconsin public sector workers are on average more highly educated than private sector workers; 59% of full-time Wisconsin public sector workers hold at least a four-year college degree, compared with 30% of full-time private sector workers. Wisconsin state and local governments pay college-educated employees 25% less in annual compensation, on average, than private employers. The compensation differential is greatest for professional employees, lawyers, and doctors. On the other hand, the public sector appears to set a floor on compensation, which benefits less-educated workers. The 1% of state and local government workers without high school diplomas earn more than comparably educated workers in the private sector.

 

http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/are_wisconsin_public_employees_over-compensated/

 

 

[rob]

But, Nitrox has already admitted this has nothing to do with fiscal responsibility, and everything to do with revenge. Why bother confusing the issue with facts? He just wants to "stick it to the unions," so it really doesn't matter how much they get paid. It's too much.

[j_b]

Ha! true, but I bet some Democrats need to be reminded of the facts too.

[Nitrox]

What if the MN Guvv, put in a bullet train?

[rob]

Then I'd be able to visit your mom faster.

[prole]

Fostering the conditions for future economic growth takes a backseat to "breaking something off in the ass" of the people that don't vote for you, don'tcha know?

[Nitrox]

You've never seemed to object to that before.

[Crux]

Yes, the waivers are temporary, with their availability put in place to protect existing coverage, such as that provided by unions, to keep that coverage intact until new provisions take effect, at least that's what it looks like. I would prefer a simpler transition, to a single payer system. Anyway, as of 2014, the waivers will no longer be available.

[prole]

You forgot to include that photoshopped image of Obama in a Mao suit that goes so well with where you're headed...

[Nitrox]

You mean like the picture of Bush et al photoshopped into Hitler.

[prole]

Yeah, but Bush probably really is a Nazi. Big difference.