danhelmstadter Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Toolin around online I came across this article with attached comments. -- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-512730/British-doctor-dies-260ft-snowboard-plunge-French-alps.html Go to the bottom of the article and click on "view all" Some of the comments are pretty harsh, if not brutal. Kinda pisses me off people don't have more respect. Sounds like he may have stepped out of bounds, but still - his family probably read those comments. Example -- "Just another Brit behaving like an idiot. When will they learn? - Diana, Geneva, 7/2/2008 1:19" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 You looked at the comments on this site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danhelmstadter Posted August 22, 2008 Author Share Posted August 22, 2008 Yea, and some are pretty damn disrespectful. It is so easy to highlight mistakes with 20/20 hindsight - sitting in an armchair. I've always thought the line between saftey and really getting stuff done in the hills is very thin. Not to sound corny or anything, but I see fellow climbers/skiers as brothers, we all take risks, some guides/pros out there are "masters" and really know what the fucks up - while still slaying it everyday. Others have to go through the learning process to get there -- which means mistakes - most of us do make mistakes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 There is not a climber alive that death will not improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I've always thought the line between saftey and really getting stuff done in the hills is very thin. For some the line is purely probability and "luck" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serenity Posted August 23, 2008 Share Posted August 23, 2008 Greenhorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted August 23, 2008 Share Posted August 23, 2008 some survive through skill, some survive through luck, it's differentiating between the two that is difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted August 23, 2008 Share Posted August 23, 2008 In the alpine, there is always more luck than is realized, often admitted, and frequently, deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 In the alpine, there is always more luck than is realized, often admitted, and frequently, deserved. While there is no way to completely remove all objective hazards, experience can go a long ways toward mitigating those hazards. My only real point here is that "going for it because it is mostly luck anyway" is hopefully NOT what Decristo is advocating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danhelmstadter Posted August 25, 2008 Author Share Posted August 25, 2008 (edited) thanks for your words - your comments all seem fairly obvious, but I suppose shedding light on such an observation draws that kind of response. Edited August 26, 2008 by danhelmstadter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danhelmstadter Posted August 26, 2008 Author Share Posted August 26, 2008 There is not a climber alive that death will not improve. Cryptic - I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike1 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 some survive through skill, some survive through luck, it's differentiating between the two that is difficult. some skillfully use luck to survive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danhelmstadter Posted August 31, 2008 Author Share Posted August 31, 2008 (edited) some survive through skill, some survive through luck, it's differentiating between the two that is difficult. I suppose the mofos I had in mind are fools consistantly slaying steep stuff in winter on a rocky mountain continental snowpack. But anyway, I started the thread cause some of those disrespectful comments about that british doctors death kinda pissed me off. I suppose you can exuse someone outside of the climbing community -- and that is unknown in the case of the british doctor, - it just tweaks me when climbers talk shit about another climbers bad descision/bad luck whateva, show some respect, cause it might be you broken and bleeding on a rockpile somewhere -- but that's what can happen to all of us - and if it can't happen to you - your either a fool, or a weak sauce climber. Edited August 31, 2008 by danhelmstadter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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