Bug Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 To someone like Colin or Wayne, yes. On the other hand, if something is aqua, kind of blue and kind of green is either color being overused as an adjective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendershot Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Alpine is so Core Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 To someone like Colin or Wayne, yes. On the other hand, if something is aqua, kind of blue and kind of green is either color being overused as an adjective? Â so infinite bliss is a big wall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 by definition, alpine is above treeline. Â So the Tooth etc. are not alpine. Â Thank you for allowing alpinist to post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 what is your definition g-spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 ummmmmm could it be climbing routes in the mountains above the treeline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted March 7, 2008 Author Share Posted March 7, 2008 just checking, i'm thinking other people have different definitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted March 7, 2008 Author Share Posted March 7, 2008 where does the tree line end? does it vary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jared_j Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 I hear the term alpine climbing and I think 'commitment' and 'substantially higher elevation from where I park my car'. Â I also think of this term as being defined to contrast with 'cragging'. Understanding what people on this board mean when they use the term alpine might be aided by understanding what they define as cragging. Â I think of cragging as being relatively low-committal. One can back off of a route relatively easily (by being lowered, or by a small number of rappels). By low-committal, I also think 'proximity to safety'. In most instances, this means proximity to ones' car. Â There are lower - elevation crags that involve long approaches, and there are climbs labelled as alpine that are relatively close to ones' car (e.g. Washington Pass). So yes, surprise surprise, constructing a precise definition may be impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted March 7, 2008 Author Share Posted March 7, 2008 thank you  interested in hearing what different people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 where does the tree line end? does it vary? Â Everything you ever wanted to know and then some: Â http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstach Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Is Yak Peak alpine or cragging with an alpine feel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 The summit is just barely above treeline on that one but the south face routes are cragging. The north face is a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheamclimber Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 I did the North Face of Yak and it was definitely alpine.... it went at A1 5.12d 17 pitches.... all free it would be about 5.13c.... great day out... did I mention I did it solo and flew off the summit with my jetpack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimL Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 I bouldered in the Bugs...would that be alpine bouldering or climbing....could be alpine cragging. Â Define alpine clucking.... 8D Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted March 9, 2008 Author Share Posted March 9, 2008 anything above the hair line is considered clucking. Â backcountry clucking would be acceptable as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimL Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 anything above the hair line is considered clucking. Â backcountry clucking would be acceptable as well. Â Â ...and anything below the alpine hairline would be.....bushwacking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Alpine and committed climbing are the only types of "climbing" Everything else is practice. The scale slides for all. Is it a practice climb for you or the real deal. The point is to push your scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 I'm sure most here will disagree but I think the term "alpine" has always involved something more than just rock climbing. Generally, this means there is some snow and ice involved but certainly there are some long or complicated rock climbs that are in a mountain environment that have the added value that I'd consider them alpine - especially where there are complex descents required or the needed technical skills in some way overlap with mountaineering. Â I've often said that the simpler standard rock climbs routes in the Bugaboos, for example, are not really "alpine." The line (for me) is somewhere between Surf's Up, which is a rock climb that you approach on glacier, and the Beckey Chouinard, with a long climb and descent of the other side of the peak, over a schrund, and onto steepish snow. Most people, I think, carry an ice axe of some kind on the BC; nobody does so on SU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 It's all about the garb. When you put on wooly knickers and gaiters to hike up Mt. Si, you're alpine climbing. This became clear to me on Chimney Rock when we left our packs on the glacier and went up the wall with just a rope and about six nuts kind of early one morning. I remember wearing a T-shirt and yellow lycra tights. As we ran the rope right through six mountaineers bivied on a ledge four pitches up, one of them woke up, took a look at my goofy pants and remarked, "Buddy, this is an alpine climb." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 lycra is cool until you pitch a tent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 I've got an extra leg sewn in my lycra for such events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 would that be a foreseason tent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Megamid. Ask your sister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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