selkirk Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 please explain how life spontaneously generated in the primordial ooze. I have not read this whole thread. Please excuse me if I am covering ground already addressed. Is there necessarily any contradiction between the idea that there is a god who "created" mankind and the theory of evolution? Yes, the idea that random chance is or could be the driving force behind evolution would seem to be at issue - but couldn't there have been a primordial ooze that the hand of god blessed with life? There's a reason the Pope John Paul gave his blessing to Stephen Hawking in support of his research into the Big Bang theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selkirk Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 mmmmmmmm...ouzo....mmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmm....ouzo ....mmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I love Ouzo. I love anything licoricey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylou Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Pastis is in fact quite yummy, but it can be wicked bad the day after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Galliano? Pernod? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selkirk Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I've always found the people with the strongest most secure faith tend to be quiet about it. The ones with the most shaky faith are the ones always trying to convert people in an attempt to bolster their own beliefs. And I think it takes a great deal of courage and strength to faith in the utter absence of proof, and to acknowledge the absence of proof. At it's core belief in any god/religion is found purely on an unsupported assumption. Rou can argue all you want, and desperately cast about for miracles and what not as proof, but at then end of the day it's still an a-priori assumption, and to admit that takes some cajones, and not many people can. It's always fun to deconstruct peoples belief system to show them that they have no proof, no basis, no anything but an unfounded assumption But those of truly deep and well understood faith already know that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I've always found the people with the strongest most secure faith tend to be quiet about it. The ones with the most shaky faith are the ones always trying to convert people in an attempt to bolster their own beliefs. Agreed. And that goes for those who are the most vocal about their lack of belief, especially when criticizing those who do believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selkirk Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I love Ouzo. I love anything licoricey. Don't get me wrong, I love ouzo, it's just dangerous stuff! It always seems to end badly for me! Oh, and never, never, never mix Sake and Ouzo in one night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I've always found the people with the strongest most secure faith tend to be quiet about it. The ones with the most shaky faith are the ones always trying to convert people in an attempt to bolster their own beliefs. Agreed. And that goes for those who are the most vocal about their lack of belief, especially when criticizing those who do believe. Why would anyone who does not believe in God, even be reading this thread? Did they not see the subject line? How can anyone claim to know what another person's experiences could have been? Are you really ready to say, "It is a fact that you could not possibly have experienced that."? How many cultures will you be discounting? How many very wise people of all ttraditions and religions, and spiritual paths are you willing to claim to be above in your view of cosmology and science? It just makes me very sad for you. I mean, I hope you are truely happy in your chosen state of existence but it seems very limited by historical and cultural standards outside this board, era, and country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 It's a nervous tick, an addiction, Bug. As an ankle biter, the poor guy can no longer help himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selkirk Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I've always found the people with the strongest most secure faith tend to be quiet about it. The ones with the most shaky faith are the ones always trying to convert people in an attempt to bolster their own beliefs. Agreed. And that goes for those who are the most vocal about their lack of belief, especially when criticizing those who do believe. Why would anyone who does not believe in God, even be reading this thread? Did they not see the subject line? How can anyone claim to know what another person's experiences could have been? Are you really ready to say, "It is a fact that you could not possibly have experienced that."? How many cultures will you be discounting? How many very wise people of all ttraditions and religions, and spiritual paths are you willing to claim to be above in your view of cosmology and science? It just makes me very sad for you. I mean, I hope you are truely happy in your chosen state of existence but it seems very limited by historical and cultural standards outside this board, era, and country. I never said I didn't believe in god.... I also never said that people haven't experienced what they percieved to be miracles.... But in the final analysis the only reason to believe in god is because you do. Your experiences can be questioned, they're causes can be questioned, and their interpretations can certainly be questioned. god's existance can not be "proved", it can only be accepted or denied. Of course denial is also a leap of faith and based on an unfounded assumption. Lack of proof is not a refuttal, only a lack of proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 ouzo rocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I also find it interesting that non-believers like to bring up the whole "no proof" bit. The Bible is quite clear that what is required is faith. If one were to know (via proof) that God exists, then how could one possibly have faith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Be careful, faith and delusion are bedmates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 i like the story of the guy who goes to hell and asks to go back to earth to tell his friends to change or suffer his fate, and God's answer is basically "what good will that do - I've given them enough to believe in me, if they don't get it now, your going back there will not help change their minds" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 How do you know which god to believe in? They all have a book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I also find it interesting that non-believers like to bring up the whole "no proof" bit. The Bible is quite clear that what is required is faith. If one were to know (via proof) that God exists, then how could one possibly have faith? i have faith that there is no god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 That counts. Plus, you drink beer. Good enough for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Of course, it also means that you have a picture of what God is in your mind, otherwise, you could not know what He is not. Just fucking with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Be careful, faith and delusion are bedmates. I'll take a little of both. I'll also take whatever bedmates I can. I'm not picky--and it *is* Valentine's Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 i'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selkirk Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Cross posting threads again tsk tsk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder206 Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I have been fondly remembering my time with some fallen-away Mormon girls at the Dirty Vinyl Motel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylou Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Why would anyone who does not believe in God, even be reading this thread? Did they not see the subject line? It is an interesting subject even for non-believers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 That counts. Plus, you drink beer. Good enough for me arch, i love you cuz you're easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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