Blake Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 I've heard a few people say that either Hillary or Obama is unelectable because there are too many racists or sexists who will vote against either one. This statement ignores the reality that ANY democrat is extremely unlikely to win a state in the deep south, and wont need to win one in order to be president. When discussing so called presidential "electibility" the only people that any candidate needs to be "electable" to are the swing voters in about 5 states, such as Ohio, PA, Florida, Michigan, Missouri. The fact that a bunch of racists or sexists in Alabama wont vote for Obama or Hillary is completely meaningless, because that state (and the rest of the south) will automatically vote republican anyway. In Summary: Unless you think that non-partisan (read: independent-minded)voters in key swing states are largely going to avoid women or black candidates, then using this criteria to evaluate "electibility" is foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 I think the whole Democrat primary is now revealed to be about racism. And Billary is chummin' just as fast as she can scoop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 That's not just broad brush; it's crop dusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwoofalot Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Hilary is not electable because Amerians are not going to put up with another Clinton or Bush. We are now at 20 years of these two families controlling our government. NO MORE. It won't happen again. The names of Clinton and Bush are to closely associated. there are to many conservative blacks who will not vote for a black democrate. the only way the first black can be elected to president will be a repulican. ABSOLUTELY. Liberal blacks will vote for a conservative black. Conservative blacks will not vote for a liberal black. Hilary and Obama are the two worst possible choices for the American Socialist Party. John Edwards would have been their (the Socialist Party) best chance. but it looks like they did not choose him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 I think the whole Democrat primary is now revealed to be about racism. And Billary is chummin' just as fast as she can scoop. ? about racism? racism is the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races. explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Hilary is not electable because Amerians are not going to put up with another Clinton or Bush. We are now at 20 years of these two families controlling our government. NO MORE. It won't happen again. The names of Clinton and Bush are to closely associated. there are to many conservative blacks who will not vote for a black democrate. the only way the first black can be elected to president will be a repulican. ABSOLUTELY. Liberal blacks will vote for a conservative black. Conservative blacks will not vote for a liberal black. Hilary and Obama are the two worst possible choices for the American Socialist Party. John Edwards would have been their (the Socialist Party) best chance. but it looks like they did not choose him. is this fact? written in stone? sources? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 Hilary is not electable because Amerians are not going to put up with another Clinton or Bush. We are now at 20 years of these two families controlling our government. NO MORE. It won't happen again. The names of Clinton and Bush are to closely associated. there are to many conservative blacks who will not vote for a black democrate. the only way the first black can be elected to president will be a repulican. ABSOLUTELY. Liberal blacks will vote for a conservative black. Conservative blacks will not vote for a liberal black. Hilary and Obama are the two worst possible choices for the American Socialist Party. John Edwards would have been their (the Socialist Party) best chance. but it looks like they did not choose him. This seems like more of a personal wish or personal vendetta than any kind of real analysis. The whole point of my post was to re-iterate that most states (and hence most electoral votes) are pre-determined Dem vs Rep so electability is entirely based upon how well one appeals to independent voters in a handfull of states. Everything else is unimportant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwoofalot Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Hilary is not electable because Amerians are not going to put up with another Clinton or Bush. We are now at 20 years of these two families controlling our government. NO MORE. It won't happen again. The names of Clinton and Bush are to closely associated. there are to many conservative blacks who will not vote for a black democrate. the only way the first black can be elected to president will be a repulican. ABSOLUTELY. Liberal blacks will vote for a conservative black. Conservative blacks will not vote for a liberal black. Hilary and Obama are the two worst possible choices for the American Socialist Party. John Edwards would have been their (the Socialist Party) best chance. but it looks like they did not choose him. is this fact? written in stone? sources? NO silly, it oviously is opinion, and it is MINE! and I am sticking to it! Wait, watch, see. WHat is it the First or the Second tuesday of November? so mark your calender for Nov. 5, 0r 12th. We will know if I am right or I am wrong. If I am right Whippy Ding Dong no one really cares, but if I am wrong, then 4 years of socialism and head hanging dispare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwoofalot Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Hilary is not electable because Amerians are not going to put up with another Clinton or Bush. We are now at 20 years of these two families controlling our government. NO MORE. It won't happen again. The names of Clinton and Bush are to closely associated. there are to many conservative blacks who will not vote for a black democrate. the only way the first black can be elected to president will be a repulican. ABSOLUTELY. Liberal blacks will vote for a conservative black. Conservative blacks will not vote for a liberal black. Hilary and Obama are the two worst possible choices for the American Socialist Party. John Edwards would have been their (the Socialist Party) best chance. but it looks like they did not choose him. This seems like more of a personal wish or personal vendetta than any kind of real analysis. The whole point of my post was to re-iterate that most states (and hence most electoral votes) are pre-determined Dem vs Rep so electability is entirely based upon how well one appeals to independent voters in a handfull of states. Everything else is unimportant. Oh, I see your point. Yeah. looking about at the last two national elections you are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylou Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Hilary is not electable because Amerians are not going to put up with another Clinton or Bush. We are now at 20 years of these two families controlling our government. NO MORE. It won't happen again. The names of Clinton and Bush are to closely associated. Haha, yeah the eight years of peace and prosperity under Bill Clinton was tough on the American psyche. Great argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwoofalot Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Hilary is not electable because Amerians are not going to put up with another Clinton or Bush. We are now at 20 years of these two families controlling our government. NO MORE. It won't happen again. The names of Clinton and Bush are to closely associated. Haha, yeah the eight years of peace and prosperity under Bill Clinton was tough on the American psyche. Great argument. 50% of Americans did not like the Clintons do nothing about those who are trying to kill us attitude. don't you know it was Clinton who planed and master mined 911? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 english as a second language? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) Clinton was a master miner who really knew his way around a planer. He was a joiner, not a divider. Edited February 8, 2008 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 OH YEAH! WELL CHENEY FLEW THOSE JETS INTO THE WTC WITH REMOTE CONTROLS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 OH YEAH! WELL CHENEY FLEW THOSE JETS INTO THE WTC WITH REMOTE CONTROLS! Its "felled" not "fell" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Hilary is not electable because Amerians are not going to put up with another Clinton or Bush. We are now at 20 years of these two families controlling our government. NO MORE. It won't happen again. The names of Clinton and Bush are to closely associated. Haha, yeah the eight years of peace and prosperity under Bill Clinton was tough on the American psyche. Great argument. bill got lucky, tell me how he was responsible for such a great economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 SKULL AND BONES! MASONS! ZIONISTS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwoofalot Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 english as a second language? Oh, was I supposed to reply in English? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) Hilary is not electable because Amerians are not going to put up with another Clinton or Bush. We are now at 20 years of these two families controlling our government. NO MORE. It won't happen again. The names of Clinton and Bush are to closely associated. Haha, yeah the eight years of peace and prosperity under Bill Clinton was tough on the American psyche. Great argument. bill got lucky, tell me how he was responsible for such a great economy. Easy: he didn't do anything really, really stupid and expensive. Edited February 8, 2008 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwoofalot Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Clinton was a master miner who really knew his way around a planer. He was a joiner, not a divider. No, no, he was a joint, that needed to get smoked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Speaking of elections, gotta run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Hilary is not electable because Amerians are not going to put up with another Clinton or Bush. We are now at 20 years of these two families controlling our government. NO MORE. It won't happen again. The names of Clinton and Bush are to closely associated. Haha, yeah the eight years of peace and prosperity under Bill Clinton was tough on the American psyche. Great argument. bill got lucky, tell me how he was responsible for such a great economy. Easy: he didn't do anything really, really stupid and expensive. he maintained an already good economy and didn't nab osama when he could have which in the long run really fucked up our already declining economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 (edited) Clinton's CIA did go after Osama after the 1998 embassy bombings, Pink. He just didn't catch him. Read your history. Also, Osama didn't fuck up our economy. He just blew up a couple of buildings. We did that all by ourselves. Edited February 9, 2008 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 (edited) that's the problem, he tried to catch him. 911 didn't help our economy, it was already on the downscale. Edited February 9, 2008 by pink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylou Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Can you genuises please reply in English? Not all of us are polyglots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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