The trust, the trust

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

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[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

 

i see readers, but nobody biting.

 

seems to me the voters have "big-project transport fatigue" coupled with no trust in big gov't to spend their money effectively.

 

we need big projects to fix our transport woes. how to convince people that our local gov't can do the job and not flush the $ down the toilet?

 

[foraker]

Gee, one couldn't have predicted that.....

Makes you realize self-proclaimed pundits often surround themselves with people who think just like them.

Edited November 7, 2007 by foraker

[tvashtarkatena]

Guess that means that voters will just have to solve the problem by driving less.

 

The last thing we need is more highway capacity. Light rail would be nice, though.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Gee, one couldn't have predicted that.....

Makes you realize self-proclaimed pundits often surround themselves with people who think just like them.

 

5 years down the toilet planning something that would fail for the voters. can these dumb asses widen their horizons and not waste 5 years... maybe come up with something that can actually pass? or give people faith they can actually do something right?

 

[Seahawks]

Good, I'm sick of the taxes. Toll the roads. Those using can pay. We pay some of the highest Gas taxes in the country and 405 has been a two lane highway for 25 years from Renton to Bellevue. 25 years and a major highway has never been expanded (except carpool). They can kiss my butt for new taxes. People running the show are idiots.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Good, I'm sick of the taxes. Toll the roads. Those using can pay. We pay some of the highest Gas taxes in the country and 405 has been a two lane highway for 25 years from Renton to Bellevue. 25 years and a major highway has never been expanded (except carpool). They can kiss my butt for new taxes. People running the show are idiots.

 

a toll is not a tax? WTF, dude.

 

and use that money for what exactly? i have no faith it will be spent on anything worthwhile - without seeing a plan.

 

[Seahawks]

I'm talking for expansion or bridge replacement, not on existing roads. We already pay/paid for those. We keep those.

[tvashtarkatena]

I think every time you buy something that was transported across a bridge, you should pay a little toll. Ditto for services you consume rendered by anyone who uses a bridge.

 

People who do not want to pay this little toll can move to an island, where they can grow their own food, lumber, raw materials for clothing, mine/process their own building materials and fuels, and self administer their own medical and dental care. It would be a true libertarian's paradise, where people like Seahawk could enjoy the exclusive company of other like-minded, self-sufficient free thinkers.

Edited November 7, 2007 by tvashtarkatena

[rbw1966]

I think every time you buy something that was transported across a bridge, you should pay a little toll. Ditto for services you consume rendered by anyone who uses a bridge.

 

I take it you think the cost of transportation is not factored into the pricing of consumer goods.

[chucK]

The only reason the light-rail passed is that the planners made the crowd-pleasing decision to link it go to the airport.

 

Everyone wants a ride to the airport.

 

Now we'll have an expensive commuter train that people will all ride 1-4 times/year.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

The only reason the light-rail passed is that the planners made the crowd-pleasing decision to link it go to the airport.

 

Everyone wants a ride to the airport.

 

Now we'll have an expensive commuter train that people will all ride 1-4 times/year.

 

exactly. it should have linked downtown to parts up north... shoreline, lynnwood, s. everett, everett, marysville.

 

[Seahawks]

I think every time you buy something that was transported across a bridge, you should pay a little toll. Ditto for services you consume rendered by anyone who uses a bridge.

 

I take it you think the cost of transportation is not factored into the pricing of consumer goods.

 

:lmao:

[chucK]

Yup. Hell, I'd have settled for linking downtown with Ballard. *sigh*

[ericb]

The big problem I had with the new package was the light rail to Tacoma bit....we already have commuter rail that works quite well for this corridor - what about the 405 corridor???

 

The bundling of roads and mass-transit doomed it. The fiscal conservatives killed it due to tax implications, and even the Sierra Club opposed it because they didn't like the auto-friendly aspects of it.

[tvashtarkatena]

Agreed. Linking the two was a big mistake. The proposal pleased no one.

[tvashtarkatena]

The only reason the light-rail passed is that the planners made the crowd-pleasing decision to link it go to the airport.

 

Everyone wants a ride to the airport.

 

Now we'll have an expensive commuter train that people will all ride 1-4 times/year.

 

Sound Transit estimates that 3000 riders a day will use the airport link by 2020, according to the Seattle Times:

Article

 

It's interesting to note that one light rail line has a carrying capacity equivalent to about 12 lanes of freeway traffic (at a commonly used carrying capacity of 2400 people/hour/lane).

 

The tough part, of course, is to balance all parts of the regional transportation system. The one thing that makes this task much easier is to reduce the number of cars on the roads. I'd say we've just barely scratched the surface, public policy-wise, in this area. Higher gas taxes, tolls for bottlenecked areas (using automation to eliminate toll booth generated traffic jams) and more alternative transportation options and incentives are needed. Using congested roadways must simply cost users more. A lot more. Expanding roadways will only move the bottlenecks elsewhere, increase emissions, and increase the installed base of infrastructure that we increasingly can no longer maintain effectively.

[archenemy]

I heard on the radio the other day that the bottleneck on the roads that were eased with tolls (Tacoma bridge I think is what they were talking about) has now moved to the courts. Hundreds of people are contesting tickets they say they got unfairly due to the automatic toll thingy malfunctioning.

[tvashtarkatena]

Fuckin IT assholes.

[archenemy]

Fuckin IT assholes.

[chucK]

 

Sound Transit estimates that 3000 riders a day will use the airport link by 2020, according to the Seattle Times:

Article

 

It's interesting to note that one light rail line has a carrying capacity equivalent to about 12 lanes of freeway traffic (at a commonly used carrying capacity of 2400 people/hour/lane).

 

Well that's quite a disparity in numbers.

12 lanes of freeway traffic 2400 people*24 hours*12 lanes = 691 thousand!!

 

That's a bit different than 3 thousand.

 

Perhaps you got your units wrong?

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

Sound Transit estimates that 3000 riders a day will use the airport link by 2020, according to the Seattle Times:

Article

 

It's interesting to note that one light rail line has a carrying capacity equivalent to about 12 lanes of freeway traffic (at a commonly used carrying capacity of 2400 people/hour/lane).

 

Well that's quite a disparity in numbers.

12 lanes of freeway traffic 2400 people*24 hours*12 lanes = 691 thousand!!

 

That's a bit different than 3 thousand.

 

Perhaps you got your units wrong?

 

[archenemy]

no, *YOUR* units are wrong.

[archenemy]

no no no

*your* units are wrong

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

my "unit" is never wrong