This what democracy looks like...in America

[Crux]

Speech at UW Kane Hall, 16 October 2007, Naomi Wolf:

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[joblo7]

well..... that took a while but its kind of ..duh.... but oooh no, 'they' would not do that ....would they? not us. not here. germany did not happen overnite.

[joblo7]

like i was saying.. most terrorism is FAKE. manhattan renov project, uss cole, embassies, london. but it sure does wonder for public opinion control.

[Bug]

Listen and learn.

This has been carefully orchestrated from the times of Eisenhower who warned the next President that the biggest danger facing the US was the rise in power of the US Military Industrial complex.

Then Kennedy was assasinated. No connection though.

[G-spotter]

Naomi Wolff or Naomi Klein?

[tomtom]

Naomi Campbell

 

[G-spotter]

na oh me oh my

Edited November 5, 2007 by G-spotter

[Crux]

like i was saying.. most terrorism is FAKE. manhattan renov project, uss cole, embassies, london. but it sure does wonder for public opinion control.

With all due respect, I'm compelled to bluntly distance myself from your claim of agreement with Naomi Wolf, as your claim to her agreement is demonstrably not valid -- at no time has Wolf asserted that the events you cite are anything other than genuine acts of terrorism, and she did not assert that most acts of terrorism are fake.

 

The relevance of the first item on the historical list of ten steps said to be consistently employed when open societies are incrementally closed down -- the invocation of a terrifying internal and external threat -- has nothing to do with supporting your conspiracy theories. The point made by Wolf is in how the threat (regardless of whether it is real or fake) is invoked as a rationale to ignore protections against abuse of power by the state.

 

As you mentioned the tragic attack against the USS Cole, please note the presidency of that period did not invoke that event or any other terror attacks of the period as a rationale for subverting the American government, as has the current presidency continuously invoked numerous scary events and situations, both real and fake, to justify its criminal abuses of power extending back well before 9/11.

[joblo7]

like i was saying.. most terrorism is FAKE. manhattan renov project, uss cole, embassies, london. but it sure does wonder for public opinion control.

With all due respect,

 

As you mentioned the tragic attack against the USS Cole, please note the presidency of that period did not invoke that event or any other terror attacks of the period as a rationale for subverting the American government, as has the current presidency continuously invoked numerous scary events and situations, both real and fake, to justify its criminal abuses of power extending back well before 9/11.

 

well..... that staged attack on OUR ship was staged during the elections and used to make people think that we are under attack. the whole ' sale' on 'w' was that the us would be safer if he was 'voted' in....'they" used IT plenty, for subversion.

which is exactly what she is referring to.i have no theories on conspirations. i use facts.she says that fear-mongering acts can be real or fake , i am simply pointing out some of the fake ones.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

Hey V7: there is no "we" when you are involved. You're on your own.

 

[Bug]

Well put.

[joblo7]

i know how dificult it is for good people to actually believe that BAD people are actually BAD and will stop at NOTHING.

 

THEY must be just a little bad, a little worse than me ,right..? mf'n WRONG!!!!!

 

WAIT for the next round o' crap and try believing again.it may take a personal experience for you to see it.

[JayB]

like i was saying.. most terrorism is FAKE. manhattan renov project, uss cole, embassies, london. but it sure does wonder for public opinion control.

With all due respect, I'm compelled to bluntly distance myself from your claim of agreement with Naomi Wolf, as your claim to her agreement is demonstrably not valid -- at no time has Wolf asserted that the events you cite are anything other than genuine acts of terrorism, and she did not assert that most acts of terrorism are fake.

 

The relevance of the first item on the historical list of ten steps said to be consistently employed when open societies are incrementally closed down -- the invocation of a terrifying internal and external threat -- has nothing to do with supporting your conspiracy theories. The point made by Wolf is in how the threat (regardless of whether it is real or fake) is invoked as a rationale to ignore protections against abuse of power by the state.

 

As you mentioned the tragic attack against the USS Cole, please note the presidency of that period did not invoke that event or any other terror attacks of the period as a rationale for subverting the American government, as has the current presidency continuously invoked numerous scary events and situations, both real and fake, to justify its criminal abuses of power extending back well before 9/11.

 

What an amusing exhange.

 

V7 is to Crux as:

 

Id is to Ego.

 

Golum is to Smeagol.

 

Etc.

 

 

[joblo7]

jayb to fw?

as usual , you have nothing to say.

[Fairweather]

like i was saying.. most terrorism is FAKE. manhattan renov project, uss cole, embassies, london. but it sure does wonder for public opinion control.

With all due respect, I'm compelled to bluntly distance myself from your claim of agreement with Naomi Wolf, as your claim to her agreement is demonstrably not valid -- at no time has Wolf asserted that the events you cite are anything other than genuine acts of terrorism, and she did not assert that most acts of terrorism are fake.

 

 

With all respect that is due, your vain attempt to distance yourself from those who reside well below the fringe does not lend you mainstream legitimacy. You, sir, still represent the fringe.

[JayB]

"jayb to fw?

as usual , you have nothing to say."

 

Except for this, perhaps:

 

It appears as though you are actually *less* discriminating when it comes to the deciding which ideas that you'll embrace than you are when it comes determining which of your female in-laws you'll commingle with - though the dignity of the former surely suffers more than the latter as a consequence of your affections.

 

 

 

 

[Bug]

Deitrick Bohnhoffer was considered to be on the fringe in Germany.

Like it or not Fairweather, historically speaking, those of you who support Bush and the corporate takeover of the US government are the true fringe.

[joblo7]

"jayb to fw?

as usual , you have nothing to say."

 

Except for this, perhaps:

 

It appears as though you are actually *less* discriminating when it comes to the deciding which ideas that you'll embrace than you are when it comes determining which of your female in-laws you'll commingle with - though the dignity of the former surely suffers more than the latter as a consequence of your affections.

 

that's kind of cute.... however,

those are not ideas, they are FACTS. now, if you had proper sources for your 'information' apart from 'the pentagon says....."or 'the white house is saying...."or cbs has learned that....." you , and anyone with half a brain would say what i am saying.i am risking my life for your benefit.

 

what i do with other adults is not for you to judge, given the limited scope of your understanding in matters of love, romance and the art of self giving.

[joblo7]

like i was saying.. most terrorism is FAKE. manhattan renov project, uss cole, embassies, london. but it sure does wonder for public opinion control.

With all due respect, I'm compelled to bluntly distance myself from your claim of agreement with Naomi Wolf, as your claim to her agreement is demonstrably not valid -- at no time has Wolf asserted that the events you cite are anything other than genuine acts of terrorism, and she did not assert that most acts of terrorism are fake.

 

 

With all respect that is due, your vain attempt to distance yourself from those who reside well below the fringe does not lend you mainstream legitimacy. You, sir, still represent the fringe.

 

to the sheep: MAINSTREAM = TRUTH.

jesus was so fringe they nailed him to a cross, yet HE was very RIGHT and holding TRUTH FOR ALL WHO WANTED IT.

[JayB]

On the contrary - I am quite free to judge at my leisure, since you volunteered the information on a public forum.

 

In my judgment - if your claims are true, which I doubt - you and your female (?) in laws show less virtue, decorum, and restraint than one finds in a typical ferret colony.

 

But - I agree - consenting adults should be free to do whatever they wish to one another, regardless of what anyone else thinks, so have at it.

 

 

[joblo7]

there is fantasy-world and reality-world. in reality, some women get the love and affection they need as free humans, and not posessions of their male providers. to impart immorality to them is self serving .the secrecy ensures security.

passion is passion , whether it is sanctionned or not. the belief that a married couple's

lovemaking is less animalistic is myth. a mental trick.

 

wrong thread.

[Crux]

Yes, wrong thread. That would be the thread about democracy in Canada, no?

 

Now, moving back to the topic of democracy in America, what's up with the planned bid by Dennis Kucinich to force a vote in the House tomorrow for the impeachment of Cheney?

[Crux]

Naomi Wolff or Naomi Klein?

The findings of Naomi Wolf do complement those of Naomi Klein:

 

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[joblo7]

again : real or fake. the fake wars , fake terrorists,fake armies. all 'shock and awe".

it does not matter who brings you truth. if it is your goal.

[joblo7]

more fakes . flights 800 and 587