JayB Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 How do you know that I am not, at this very moment, posting from the interior of one of the control centers established to program your perceptions through "Alternative" news available on the Internet, and that everything that you have come to believe is not the end-result of a marketing scheme that has been packaged in order to appeal to a distinct sub-set of the marketplace identified by a proprietary set of algorithms that has been monitoring both your thoughts and your every move since well before the time you even became aware of the alphabet, let alone the "military industrial complex"? Booga - it hardly needs to be said - Booga! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joblo7 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 (edited) i personally dont get my views and news from the internet. to corroborate, sometimes, yes. Edited October 2, 2007 by virendra7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckaroo Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 If you can't argue with facts JayB make stuff up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 I'm sorry - what was that? Someone tapped me on the shoulder and let me know that I'd be running the sing-a-long during the bonfire at the Bohemian Grove this year, and I was busy tweaking the algorithm a bit, so I didn't quite catch that last comment. Carry-on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STP Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 (edited) Seems some people would best serve their abilities writing plots for sci-fi thriller movies ala Minority Report, because really it’s all about entertainment. Why else fill this empty time on the Net? Seriously though, the most prescient sci-fi anticipates the potential for future realities, the most distressing of which point to a dystopia, one paradoxically with simultaneous alienation and hivemind tendencies, that can be best described as inhuman. So your crystal ball, your imagination, cannot conceive of that possibility? Or, given that anything is possible that scenario is not likely probable? Can anyone conceive of a society resembling Orwell’s 1984? Is it merely a reflection of a person’s inner world cast upon the external fabric of our outward perception rather than ‘seeing the world as it is’? For example, take the Dark Web project (http://ai.arizona.edu/recognition/index.htm ; http://ai.eller.arizona.edu/COPLINK/publications/CrimeDataMining_Computer.pdf). Is it really such a long leap from catching a criminal conspiracy in the act of becoming and that category of crime that can only be called ‘thought crime’? Are some people predisposed, genetically or environmentally, to criminal activity? Should we remove these people before they become a problem? Yeah, booga booga. Edited October 2, 2007 by STP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdawg Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together." 17 January 1961 Dwight D Eisenhower Thirty-fourth US President, Five-star former Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces invasion of France and Germany and- apparently to some, wild-eyed lavender-scented conspiracy theorist. Booga booga, indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Like I said in the other thread: We have: (1) defense contractors running the appropriations process, (2) oil company stooges setting our foreign policy, and (3) a variety of corporate vendors actually running most of our war for us. Booga booga for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 The solemn tone of the grizzled, weary heretic who can only muster the energy to issue forth one...last...morsel of wisdom before the ravages of confronting the status quo expedite his exit from the world would be considerably heightened by modifying the final sentence in the following manner. [Raspy voice]"Booga Booga....[pregnant-pause, exhales, looks skyward]...in-DEED."[Dies. Eyes remain fixed open. Pan camera towards the dystopian nightmare landscape which represents the manifestation of all of the things that he valiantly struggled against, ultimately to no effect, and for which all succeeding generations will pay the price..] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 "Can anyone conceive of a society resembling Orwell’s 1984?" You mean like the former Soviet Union? China circa 1945-1985? The North Korea of today? Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge? There's a certain commonality that connects this and other real-world dystopias, and it's...why.. its the...unfettered power of multinational corporations and the military industrial complex... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdawg Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Hey, man, nice shot. Truly. The problem is, my voice isn't raspy and the dystopian nightmare you allude to has no place in my view of the future. Actually, the only thing that rankles me about your retort is its very archness. Why go for substance when you can waft in and out the door as incisively as a crampon sporting Capote? Why indeed? Go on, you little minx... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckaroo Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 "Can anyone conceive of a society resembling Orwell’s 1984?" ""You mean like the former Soviet Union? China circa 1945-1985? The North Korea of today? Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge? "" none of these have, the TELEVISION as a primary method of control, also the transmutating enemy, now it's the "war on terror", next thing it will be a war on evil. we must defeat the evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 "Actually, the only thing that rankles me about your retort is its very archness. Why go for substance when you can waft in and out the door as incisively as a crampon sporting Capote? Why indeed?" I have it on good authority [we're talking the bulls-eye of an infinite series of concentric circles of authority, with this individual representing the geometric center of the said eye, here] that the manufacturer of Twinkiesoften complains that the average consumer is too quick to dismiss their nutritional value, when a thorough scouring of their contents would reveal that each serving actually contains trace amounts of no less than three - that's right *three* essential vitamins, and if it weren't for the lies, distortions, and mis-characterizations put forth to discredit the Twinky the average man on the street would be far less likely to dismiss them out of hand as health food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STP Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Camus was just a fop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdawg Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 So, um, Jay? Are you, like, calling Eisenhower a twinkie? My point, however inartfully veiled, was that the term "military industrial complex" was coined by one of the most traditionally conservative American icons of the last century. Was Ike high when he said that? Was he a sissy? Was he flat-out wrong? Really, man, what gives? Showcase your wit all you like, but give me your honest opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 I don't think he was wrong to issue such a warning, any more than George Washington was wrong to warn against "entangling alliances" in his farewell speech, but I don't think the fact that any particular admonition appears in a presidential address necessarily means that it should be considered an axiom from that point forward, nor do I think that anyone who argues that his remarks constitute a prophetic articulation of a foregone conclusion can make a compelling argument to this effect. Seldom is any president right about everything, no matter how noble, wise, or distinguished he may be, so one can take issue with particular statements, or argue that a particular threat didn't materialize in the manner in which he envisioned, without that constituting a wholesale dismissal of his judgement, character, etc. This statement of mine will no doubt prompt a fit of zeal in at least one of our regular posters that which will summon forth a mad ghoulash of miscellaneous quotes, citations, and figures that they've been aggregating somewhere in the depths of their brain for a solid 20 years, which they will subsequently attempt to pass off as a serious argument which demonstrates conclusively that the US is, in fact, languishing under the yoke and everlasting dominion of the dreaded M.I.P. Please pardon me in advance if I can't summon the interest necessary to engage in a point-by-point rebuttal, and settle for a bit of light and oh-so-easy mockery instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couloir Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 dunno, but pretty much anythign a man currently has inside the walls of his anus i'd rather see stay there "Pink" and inflamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 "Can anyone conceive of a society resembling Orwell’s 1984?" ""You mean like the former Soviet Union? China circa 1945-1985? The North Korea of today? Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge? "" none of these have, the TELEVISION as a primary method of control, also the transmutating enemy, now it's the "war on terror", next thing it will be a war on evil. we must defeat the evil. Huh? http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42514000/jpg/_42514059_joint203.jpg&imgrefurl=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6917003.stm&h=261&w=203&sz=9&hl=en&start=4&um=1&tbnid=L1di4oKJsS1_EM:&tbnh=112&tbnw=87&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsmoking%2Bjoint%2B%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdawg Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Jay, I have no historical knowledge of your part in the Spray Forum, so I'll simply thank you for the directness of your answer. Obviously, I have far more reservations than you about the MIC. Hell, I'll even admit to wincing at the way that acronym diminishes the gravity of the term. Like the once-mighty Sioux, I have reservations. Like the once feared Apache, I have reservations. Many reservations do I have, and not one damn casino. I will spray no more, forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckaroo Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 ""Please pardon me in advance if I can't summon the interest necessary to engage in a point-by-point rebuttal"" the bullshit-o-meter is pegging ""and settle for a bit of light and oh-so-easy mockery instead."" you are as weak as your stance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 the bullshit-o-meter is pegging The irony, the irony! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckaroo Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 "Huh?" Fairweather in a nutshell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckaroo Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 ""the bullshit-o-meter is pegging"" "The irony, the irony! " but nothing specific... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimbingPanther Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 you want specific? 0 the specific gravity of what's between your ears. oh snap!1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lI1|1! Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 why do people always try to blame war on the rich? i think war is just human nature. look at the bushmen in australia and africa and amazonia. they fight wars and kill each other but there aren't any rich people around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dt_3pin Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share Posted October 2, 2007 why do people always try to blame war on the rich? i think war is just human nature. look at the bushmen in australia and africa and amazonia. they fight wars and kill each other but there aren't any rich people around. "rich" is a culturally relative concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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