glassgowkiss Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Some of the companies jumped the wagon and are trying to drum up free ads through "envirorment ticket". yeah, you have to be kidding me with your choice! Prana and Patagonia are full of crap, since they move their production to China and Vietnam. Even Alpinist prints in China by now. Let's face it- a big part of cost suffered by manufacturer in the US are not only wages, but also envirormental regulations and disposal of chemicals. These coutries do not have such regulations, hence they just ditch toxic chemicals into rivers and bays. to say mildly these companies are not for evirorment, they are for maximizing proffits and for the bottom line. I don't agree with providing free ads for two-faced liers. I am not telling them how to run their companies, but please a little honesty would be nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 (edited) Everyone should be held to the same environmental standards- ours, at least if they want to sell to us. Edited June 29, 2007 by catbirdseat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted June 29, 2007 Author Share Posted June 29, 2007 the standards over there can sum up a picture- 2 inch pipe spewing raw acetone straight into a bay.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Actually the toxicity of acetone is pretty low as organics go, but I get your drift. I'm sure if you can name it, they dump it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 As you know, this is a huge topic. Last week Business Week's cover story was "The Real Cost of Doing Business Offshore". I see it as a good thing to get the business community to understand that the supposed savings from working offshore are much, much smaller than they used to be (inw: taking other factors into account changes the cost). Â To change this, not only to consumers need to continue to voice their displeasure and refuse to support companies that don't do business the way they expect, but businesses themselves have to realize that the financial benefits are not as they appear. Â Good for you GGK for bringing up this topic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 encouraging businesses to think beyond a quarter? Â laughs as he executes his latest daytrade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Yes, longer term planning will come into vogue again at some point. People are becoming painfully aware of too many downsides of short term planning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choada_Boy Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Here's ya go: Cars are now good for the environment. Â The doublethink on this one is almost beyond comprehension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 I don't see anywhere on that pg that says "good for the environment". I see that they don't add to the landfill. You have to admit that's a pretty big step. Â The idea is good though, just like the Seattle Aquarium filtering water and releasing it back into the Sound. Actually making something better after you've used it is a good business model bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 what do they do with the stuff they filter out of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwoofalot Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 The solution is simple, don’t buy made in China. I know easier said that done, but I have for more then 10 years now made an effort to NOT buy made in China. Yes, the company I work for does off shore processing, but we also have a high end line of all Made in America products.  Educate the consumer, you and I, and allow us to make the choice.  You want these companies to stop out sourcing production in China? Then don’t buy the Made in China products.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 you mean voting with your money works??? no way. gotta regulate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 The solution is simple, don’t buy made in China. I know easier said that done, but I have for more then 10 years now made an effort to NOT buy made in China. Yes, the company I work for does off shore processing, but we also have a high end line of all Made in America products.  Educate the consumer, you and I, and allow us to make the choice.  You want these companies to stop out sourcing production in China? Then don’t buy the Made in China products. We had environmental pollution issues in the US *long* before we were buying stuff from China.  And as for the anti-regulation camp: the US does not subscribe to unfettered capitalism. Never has, never will. And for good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwoofalot Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 No, as they used to say on the Ronco Automatic commercial, and it really, really works! Â I can go to add batteries are not needed. Â The free market place is alive and well. We just need to learn how to use it to our advantage. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwoofalot Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 The solution is simple, don’t buy made in China. I know easier said that done, but I have for more then 10 years now made an effort to NOT buy made in China. Yes, the company I work for does off shore processing, but we also have a high end line of all Made in America products.  Educate the consumer, you and I, and allow us to make the choice.  You want these companies to stop out sourcing production in China? Then don’t buy the Made in China products. We had environmental pollution issues in the US *long* before we were buying stuff from China.  And as for the anti-regulation camp: the US does not subscribe to unfettered capitalism. Never has, never will. And for good reason.  Reality is neither method in and of itself will work. As you say unfettered capitalize does not and can to work. Over regulations do not work either. There must be a balance met and maintained. That balance with shift back and forth. Based on current conditions and the fact we are dealing with a foreign principality, then the fastest way to get the Chinese, or corporate America for that matter, to change is to hit them in the money belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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