fenderfour Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 Check all that apply. Crevasse Rescue and Escaping the Belay are self-explanatory. Basic Vertical would include z-pulley stacks and hauling an unconscious climber. Advanced would be helicopter rescues, hoists, rigging, etc... More like Mountain Rescue training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambone Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 I'm not clear on the difference between basic vertical and advanced. I mean I've never been trained on helicopter rescuse (been involved in one though)....But I know a bit about rigging and hiosting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriss Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 Formal training?? As in "certificate, suitable for framing"? Mountaineers?? What do you recognize as training and why? chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderfour Posted September 15, 2004 Author Share Posted September 15, 2004 Training is training whether it is from a book or from the AMGA. Advanced training would probably involve using gear that you normally wouldn't climb with. Things like litters and massive pulleys. It would also need training on complex rigging systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 Training from a book only counts if you actually went out and practiced the material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 Training bad habits only reinforces bad habits. In a recent self (partner) rescue "training" session the instructor condensed everything in Fasulo into three simple proceedures (escape the belay, assend the rope, counterbalanced rappel). We practice those frequently (even in the gym). I think I could help my partner if I had to. Freeman (29 years in mountain rescue - starting to grasp the basics) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderfour Posted September 15, 2004 Author Share Posted September 15, 2004 Training definitely means practice. For some reason everything on this board is taken waaayyyy too seriously. This poll is only to satisfy my curiosity. You won't be tested later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 For some reason everything on this board is taken waaayyyy too seriously. This poll is only to satisfy my curiosity. You won't be tested later. some of us who do rescue take it very seriously. On a good year (when we have the funding) our little unit does a week of Rigging for Rescue on our crags, a weekend of level 2 avy training, at least two or three rigging sessions, a self rescue practice, and several white board discussions. When we were doing long line we would train once a month with the helo. Throw in manditory BBP, helo ground school and first aid. And I consider every day that I'm climbing to be a form of training.... and we get tested when the phone rings in the middle of the night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 The way the pole is set up, I'd suspect the same folks that checked off basic vertical skills are the same folks that checked off crevasse rescue and escape the belay. That means that roughly 2/3 of you don't have these skills/don't practice them... scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 I've never been "trained" in any of that, but I have done most of it . Does advanced cover using the Jaws of Life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 An informal poll at the gym the other night indicated that not one climber could escape a loaded belay (one guy suggested putting a prusik on the rope and transfering the load to it, but couldn't figure out how to unload the prusik). Good thing they never go higher than half a rope length. The really unfortunate part is that the gym owner was giving a bunch of crap to the folks who were practicing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 how many people take prusiks to the gym anyways? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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