Off_White Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 seeing as how you're a shaka emblemed donor, consider it done... ...even though John Wayne was a fag, as was J. Edgar Hoover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehead Posted September 8, 2004 Author Share Posted September 8, 2004 CNN recently carried a story concerning this case. (Government wants ID arguments secret ) excerpts: The U.S. Department of Justice has asked an appellate court to keep its arguments secret for a case in which privacy advocate John Gilmore is challenging federal requirements to show identification before boarding an airplane. --snip-- "We're dealing with the government's review of a secret law that now they want a secret judicial review for," one of Gilmore's attorneys, James Harrison, said in a phone interview Sunday. "This administration's use of a secret law is more dangerous to the security of the nation than any external threat." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Now that's some creepy shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 I saw a black helicopter today. Luckily I put my tin foil hat on and they left me alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 And that dude's a dumbshit. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Laws and court cases are NOT supposed to be secret. This is some fucking gestapo shit man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 First off, the story is very vague. Exactly what 'ID requirement' was he 'subjected' to? The requirement of showing identification before boarding a plane? Gee, that's stingent! Basing a conclusion from this one story is ridiculous since the article doesn't really contain any information at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 The point is: "The U.S. Department of Justice has asked an appellate court to keep its arguments secret for a case in which privacy advocate John Gilmore is challenging federal requirements to show identification before boarding an airplane." I don't see any reason why the DOJ needs a secret case, unless there is something to hide. Privacy is for citizens, not the government! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Since I have no clue what the particulars of the case are, I don't feel qualified to get my panties in a bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Nah man, it's on cnn.com, it must the 100% accurate, concrete reality!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehead Posted September 8, 2004 Author Share Posted September 8, 2004 And that dude's a dumbshit. Period. That's your opinion and I believe a mistaken one. Gilmore is one of the co-founders of the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), an organization which is similar in ways to the Access Fund but which deals with cyberspace rather than a physical place. Electronic Frontier Foundation--Defending Freedom in the Digital World The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) was created to defend our rights to think, speak, and share our ideas, thoughts, and needs using new technologies, such as the Internet and the World Wide Web. EFF is the first to identify threats to our basic rights online and to advocate on behalf of free expression in the digital age. You might want to take a look at some of the current issues surrounding the use of the Internet, for example, some of the proposed legislation such as the Induce Act. Personally, I believe Gilmore is an advocate and is at the forefront of many pertinent issues regarding freedom of speech and other rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoboy Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Another story about ID for everyone to argue about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Airlines are not public transportation, therefore the suit has no basis. He'd have more basis IMO if he complained that as a motorist he was stopped in random traffic stops while traveling across the country on public highways. The airlines only require identification for fraud purposes - you can check in at home (no ID), or use the automated teller machines. The Federal Government in the Form of the Transportation Security Agency (who employ 650 people at PDX alone ) requires a goverment issued photo ID as identification to travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleblebleb Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Since I have no clue what the particulars of the case are, I don't feel qualified to get my panties in a bunch. You'd have to feel qualified to get your panties off Greg_W's head first anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 And that dude's a dumbshit. Period. That's your opinion and I believe a mistaken one. Gilmore is one of the co-founders of the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), an organization which is similar in ways to the Access Fund but which deals with cyberspace rather than a physical place. Electronic Frontier Foundation--Defending Freedom in the Digital World The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) was created to defend our rights to think, speak, and share our ideas, thoughts, and needs using new technologies, such as the Internet and the World Wide Web. EFF is the first to identify threats to our basic rights online and to advocate on behalf of free expression in the digital age. You might want to take a look at some of the current issues surrounding the use of the Internet, for example, some of the proposed legislation such as the Induce Act. Personally, I believe Gilmore is an advocate and is at the forefront of many pertinent issues regarding freedom of speech and other rights. I honestly don't see why showing ID before boarding a plane is an invasion of my privacy. Likewise, I don't feel that my privacy has been invaded when I'm asked to sign a credit card reciept, either. What's the dude's problem? I took a look at the EFF site, and it's interesting and necessary, but while I might agree with what the EFF's doing, I don't have to agree with this guy about the issue of presenting ID before boarding a plane. Totally different issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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