cracked Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 OP announces end of program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 GLUT OF ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS! there is an oversupply of "skilled professions" and an undersupply of trades throughout N America right now. Dru- As your an expert on Engineers, I defer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 if you were an electrician instead of an e.e. you'd be so busy working you wouldn't have time to spray right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 if you were an electrician instead of an e.e. you'd be so busy working you wouldn't have time to spray right now I'm neither. Busy I watched the Union Electrician indoctrinate his apprentice in the joys of "breaks" while they did work at our plant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 money makin, money makin, super disco disco breakin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 As for Shapp's rant - there's something wrong in this country when the average Electrian makes more than the average Electrical Engineer. Â Word. Â I would just like to point out that this marks the second time that Carl and I have been in agreement on an issue, and this time, it involves the labor market. If the end wasn't nigh before, now its time to duck and cover.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 This is the market correcting for an oversupply of electrical enginners and an undersupply of electricians. It will last until some of the ee's decide to retrain and get an electrician's ticket. Try a market distortion caused by the very effective Electricians union. Â Hell now he's even anticipating my replies. I give Carl my proxy vote on this argument from this point on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Hell now he's even anticipating my replies. I give Carl my proxy vote on this argument from this point on. Hell Hath Frozen Over! Quick to the Gorge Ice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Or get call centers going, where prisoners take calls and do marketing. NOT. Â There is (or was until recently) a call center for telemarketers at the Monroe State Penitentary. I guess it's all monitored pretty closely and any type of horseing around get's you solitary for the next millenium. You could probably find something on Google as there was some kind of media upheaval not too long ago. Â I have a relative who worked at the Monroe prison for several years, teaching inmates a trade through a program administered by Everett Community College. He still has inmates call him up and thank him for giving them the ability to make a living once they were released. Â I prefer the idea of businesses actually performing "on the job" training for inmates instead of convicted criminals getting a journeyman's certification at the taxpayer's expense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylou Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Even in times when there are not enough jobs to go around for regular law-abiding citizens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrutch Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 There are always jobs available sometimes people have to look in other places other then their comfort zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Even in times when there are not enough jobs to go around for regular law-abiding citizens? Â Yup. If those inmates were pulling their own weight and supporting a business it would be less burden on the tax payers or maybe that education budget could go to someone who's in need of retraining or how about reducing tuition at the state schools. Â Move this sucka to spray already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylou Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 And it's okay that businesses who use inmate labor are at an extreme business advantage over those who use non-inmate labor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 No, but that should be rectified by reducing the business' advantage, not by shutting down the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 And also, is OP the ONLY business allowed to employ prisoners? If employing prisoners is such a HUGE advantage, why doesn't everybody do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylou Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 No, but that should be rectified by reducing the business' advantage, not by shutting down the program. Â One of the major differences is that non-inmates have the legal right to organize. Â Which would you prefer: Â Eliminating that right for non-inmates.... Â ....or establishing it for inmates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 How does that affect anything? Inmates shouldn't have the same rights as the rest of us. For example, I would not support their right to own a firearm when they are in prison. Â But answer my question. Why doesn't everybody employ all the inmates they can? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 And it's okay that businesses who use inmate labor are at an extreme business advantage over those who use non-inmate labor? Â Sounds good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 And it's okay that businesses who use inmate labor are at an extreme business advantage over those who use non-inmate labor? Â Sounds good to me. Say, Bronco, how's that penitentiary treatin' you these days? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylou Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Everybody doesn't employ all the inmates they can because it's not even legal most places. Â The thing OP fails to mention is that there was a court ruling that required them to suspend their prison labor program. I think there was something about it in the first thread about them discontinuing the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 And it's okay that businesses who use inmate labor are at an extreme business advantage over those who use non-inmate labor? Â Sounds good to me. Say, Bronco, how's that penitentiary treatin' you these days? Â Â I get out in a couple months. Bubba says "HI BITCH!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtom Posted June 24, 2004 Author Share Posted June 24, 2004 The thing OP fails to mention is that there was a court ruling that required them to suspend their prison labor program. I think there was something about it in the first thread about them discontinuing the program. Â Ummm, Allison, it's in the Press Release on the Omega-Pacific website. Â The announcement comes on the heels of a May 13, 2004 ruling by the Washington State Supreme court which declares participation in the Class I Correctional Industries program inconsistent with constitutional language. Omega Pacific has been a participating member of the combined federal/State program since 1995 and has built the majority of their goods within the Airway Heights Medium Security Correctional Center outside Spokane, Washington. The State Supreme Court had been considering this ruling, which affects seven companies and approximately 175 jobs held by inmate workers, for several months before reaching a 5-4 decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Serl Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 well, this move now allows Omega Pacific carabiners to be imported into Canada, not that i imagine that had much bearing on the decision. the law up here forbids importation of ANY products produced by prison labour - no judgement is applied on whether it's "voluntary" or not, and the USA is treated no differently under Canadian law than, say, China or Myanmar (to single out a couple particularly repressive "employers"). sleep well... cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinker Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 GLUT OF ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS! there is an oversupply of "skilled professions" and an undersupply of trades throughout N America right now. "Even" lowly positions like arborists although it doesnt take much skill to cut a tree down right Kurt  funny....a quick search of monster.com shows over 2700 jobs available for electrical engineers. monster EE search  and 860 for 'electrician'.  Granted, most companies looking for electricians aren't going to advertise on Monster.com, but it seems there's a demand for Elec Engrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 The IBEW (International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers) has 780,000 members. Â The IEEE (EE prof association) has 360,00 members. Â A unionized workforce is less flexible than a nonunion workforce - less firing, and less hiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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