Fat_Teddy Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 Required reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icegirl Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 Great link! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 Yeah shit! We're nowhere NEAR 600K dead yet! Bring it on... Â and onner and onner. Â Why be deterred?!! Â Were the Soviets deterred in Afghanistan? NO! Â Were we deterred in Viet Nam? NO! Â Well, not for like 10 years and many many deaths and we/they were totally losing anyway. Â Let's return to the simple times of the civil war. Why wallow in recent, more relevant, history when we can think back a century ago of an uplifting example of how we perservered through a half-million dead. Â woo hoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat_Teddy Posted May 31, 2004 Author Share Posted May 31, 2004 ChucK obviously didn't understand it. I'll try to scare him up a pop-up book edition. One he can finish before he comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 I stand by my comments. Â Apparently you think there was something more there than an attempt to support the war in Iraq by criticizing those who would decry the problems with it, and by minimizing the damages by comparing it to a much bloodier spectacle. Â I'm curious, as to what your take on that piece, if you really think that my interpretation is flawed. Please, see if you can conjure up a cliff-note version for me as you seemed to have offered in your condescending way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat_Teddy Posted May 31, 2004 Author Share Posted May 31, 2004 Of course you do. Â It's a take on the idiots who trump up minor flaws and use them to overshadow the greater good. It's a stab at morons who cry about the injustices of Abu Grhaib, and use them as examples of the failures, rather than talk of the good. It's a call for the naysayers to shut the hell up and do some good, rather than sit within the safety the troops provide and criticize them. Â It's a call for people like you to don a uniform and serve your country, rather than sit back and cry foul over situations you've never been in. Rather than insult the memory who have given it all so you can sleep at night, while you're too scared to walk in their boots. It's asking people like you to shut the hell up, one day a year, and remember my friends who actually know what honor, God, and country means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 "It's a take on the idiots who trump up minor flaws and use them to overshadow the greater good."  Minor flaws = couple thousand dead or injured americans. Greater good = avenging Bush father, dropping the ball on Al Qaeda and making us all more vulnerable to terrorists  "It's a stab at morons who cry about the injustices of Abu Grhaib, and use them as examples of the failures, rather than talk of the good."  I have not characterized Abu Grhaib as a failure; rather, as an inevitable consquence of this war. That this war was ever prosecuted is the failure.  "It's a call for the naysayers to shut the hell up and do some good, rather than sit within the safety the troops provide and criticize them."  We can all do some good if we get us out of there, or at the very least get our incompetent commander in chief out of there.  "It's a call for people like you to don a uniform and serve your country,"  Unless you're over there right now, this sounds pretty damn hollow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat_Teddy Posted May 31, 2004 Author Share Posted May 31, 2004 Minor flaws = couple thousand dead or injured americans.  Those aren't even flaws. They're products of war.  Greater good = avenging Bush father, dropping the ball on Al Qaeda and making us all more vulnerable to terrorists  When was the last time Al Qaeda hit the US?  We can all do some good if we get us out of there, or at the very least get our incompetent commander in chief out of there.  We're doing good now. The fact that you can't see that brings us back to my original point, your lack of comprehension.  Unless you're over there right now, this sounds pretty damn hollow.  Of course it does to you, sitting in WA basking in the freedom that I helped provide, criticizing people doing something you're too scared to do yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 ChucK, I don't understand how the Iraq war makes us more vulnerable to terrorists. Would you mind explaining? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 It diverted us from taking them out in Afghanistan, and ties up our military from reacting to them anywhere other than Iraq. It has lowered our standing in the world to such a low that we have less political power to find Al Qaeda in other countries. All the wonderful PR has bred Al Qaeda recruits and sympathizers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat_Teddy Posted May 31, 2004 Author Share Posted May 31, 2004 It has lowered our standing in the world to such a low that we have less political power to find Al Qaeda in other countries  Like where? Pakistan? Libya? Did you even read the link I posted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 Minor flaws = couple thousand dead or injured americans. Â Those aren't even flaws. They're products of war. Thank you for supporting our troops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 Qooh yeah. We've really got things under control in Pakistan. Â Do you even read the real news? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat_Teddy Posted May 31, 2004 Author Share Posted May 31, 2004 Qooh yeah. We've really got things under control in Pakistan. Â Are you serious? Do you even follow world politics? Pakistan was the chief supporter of the taliban. Now they're one of our leading allies in the region. That's even in the "fake" news. Â Do you even read? Â Thank you for supporting our troops. Â I've BEEN our troops, idiot. When you get the balls to don a uniform and stand a freaking post, then I'll accept your criticism. Until then, you're just another liberal coward crying about people doing a job you don't have the balls to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordop Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 (edited) . Edited June 8, 2021 by jordop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat_Teddy Posted May 31, 2004 Author Share Posted May 31, 2004 So this is where Steyn ended up after getting the boot from the National Post for being such a moronically sentimental right wing buffoon  Really? That's not what Matthew Fraser says. He also says readers were "disgruntled by Steyn's absence. It sounds like even the liberal rags wanted him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordop Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 (edited) . Edited June 8, 2021 by jordop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icegirl Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 if we were done in Afghanistan, and "distracted" by Iraq, then why is my brother headed over there in a few months?? My cousin just got back a few weeks ago and had some pretty chilling tales, but GET THIS, he has volunteered to go back as soon as he can (there OR iraq), because he believes in why we are there, and he is NOT some idiot 19 year old without an education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat_Teddy Posted June 1, 2004 Author Share Posted June 1, 2004 Editor Ken Whyte and managing editor Martin Newland got fired. Rats left sinking ship. Steyn was made to feel unwelcome. Paper dies more every day, just like Blackie. Still has good arts reporting though, oddly  Hmmm, I thought you said he got "the boot from the National Post for being such a moronically sentimental right wing buffoon"  You weren't lying were you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 pakistan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordop Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 (edited) . Edited June 8, 2021 by jordop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotterdamerung Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 Running at the mouth again folks? Â Home ten days from the great adventure, and I see nothing here worth fighting for. Since some Americans don't really seem to give a great fuck about the boys over there other than to engage in useless pillow talk over the net. Â If you really want to show your stripe get your ass out the peace rally so I can detain and arrest you and give a nice taste of homegrown prison in your backyard. What we need around here are more Pelican Bays. Shoe program dissenter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat_Teddy Posted June 1, 2004 Author Share Posted June 1, 2004 Well if I read in one paper that he was fired and in another that he quit, I'm going to go with the story that supports my biases on life and perpetuiate that version of life in all my dealings with people to further my vision of history. I do what I can. Â Could you post a link to that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 The article suggested that "back then" the people didn't criticize the judgement of those running the government. If you don't think Lincoln wasn't criticized for his actions during the Civil War, you better go do some reading. Lincoln had a huge number of detractors who fought him tooth and nail. The country was divided. It was only through his keen political skills that Lincoln was able to stay the course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordop Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 (edited) Quote Quote Well if I read in one paper that he was fired and in another that he quit, I'm going to go with the story that supports my biases on life and perpetuiate that version of life in all my dealings with people to further my vision of history. I do what I can. Â Could you post a link to that? . Edited June 8, 2021 by jordop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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