scott_harpell Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 That is if there is doubt. There is little doubt that someone not wearing a sign and shooting at you is not a journalist OR a protected POW militant. if there is doubt.... that is the point... There is little doubt that someone not wearing a sign and shooting at you is not a journalist OR a protected POW militant. I should amend little... to NO doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Article 5 The present Convention shall apply to the persons referred to in Article 4 from the time they fall into the power of the enemy and until their final release and repatriation. Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy, belong to any of the categories enumerated in Article 4, such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martlet Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Should any doubt arise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 as if your self-serving certitude (or rumsfeld's) was ever proof of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeezix Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 If the Geneva Conventions do not apply to most of the Iraqi detainees ...so what? Are you just trying to prove that the Geneva Conventions do not apply, or is there a greater point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martlet Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 If the Geneva Conventions do not apply to most of the Iraqi detainees ...so what? Are you just trying to prove that the Geneva Conventions do not apply, or is there a greater point? Actually, I've forgotten what the point was originally. This is what it's become, though. If you start at the beginning and figure it out, let me know. I can't be arsed to dig through it. The moonbats start so many tangents it's hard to keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeezix Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Here's the original point, from gotterdamerung's initial post: Fuck the towelheads. We've apologized. Now let's get over it[...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotterdamerung Posted May 11, 2004 Author Share Posted May 11, 2004 So we 'torture' a few Iraqi's who you should know are pretty prone to homosexual behavior anyway (Girls are for babies, men are for pleasure), and THEY cut some guys head off for the camera. C'mon libs, show some more compassion for your favorite cause now. I'll show mine with a gun thanks. American Beheaded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 i fail to see how discussing the application of the geneva convention is a tangent within the context of discussing the torturing of war prisoners ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Hey look at CNN, some American was just beheaded and the video was posted on an Al Qaeda website! Fantastic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martlet Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Can they do that according to the Geneva Convention? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willstrickland Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5107738 http://www.boston.com/dailynews/132/world/Body_found_on_Baghdad_overpass:.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeezix Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 American beheaded ...not surprised at brutal retaliation. There'll be more. What do you think Bush cares about more, the fate of Americans in Iraq or his re-election chances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 More evidence that we need to get the f- out of there and shouldn't have been there in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martlet Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 More evidence that we need to get the f- out of there and shouldn't have been there in the first place. More evidence that the moonbats need to stfu about "humiliating conduct" and let the military start offing these idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 So we 'torture' a few Iraqi's who you should know are pretty prone to homosexual behavior anyway (Girls are for babies, men are for pleasure) pretty sick justification if this is supposed to be one and THEY cut some guys head off for the camera. C'mon libs, show some more compassion for your favorite cause now. I'll show mine with a gun thanks. it is not primarily an issue of compassion but that of being effective. not only is it impossible to impose democracy (by definition) but it is even more so by using torture. American Beheaded sick. atrocities committed in the name of revenge, does it sound familiar? we are playing right into al-qaeda's hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martlet Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 sick. atrocities committed in the name of revenge, does it sound familiar? we are playing right into al-qaeda's hand. If by "we" you mean you liberal moonbats, yep, you certainly are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeezix Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Meanwhile, Bush's approval rating continues it's steady decliiiiine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martlet Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Meanwhile, Bush's approval rating continues it's steady decliiiiine... Yeah, but he moved ahead of Kerry in the polls. With Bush's approval rating going down, Kerry should be killing him. It shows that the country thinks he sucks that much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeezix Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Won't find out 'til November... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martlet Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Question: How can the US release photos of the Iraqi prisoners? Wouldnt that lead to their humiliation and be gainst thwe convention? Question: Why do we have all those pictures of Iraqis in prison and no pictures of the young man being beheaded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martlet Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Question: How can the US release photos of the Iraqi prisoners? Wouldnt that lead to their humiliation and be gainst thwe convention? Question: Why do we have all those pictures of Iraqis in prison and no pictures of the young man being beheaded? Liberal Media? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Wall Street Journal columnist Holman Jenkins : First impressions led to an outpouring of commentary suggesting a diabolical, Strangelovian plot to hit Arabs where they're most vulnerable, their sexual pride. In fact, what we've had thrown back in our faces appears partly to be the worst aspects of our own domestic prison culture, exported to Iraq, about which Americans cannot claim to have been ignorant...California's chief law enforcement officer, Bill Lockyer, treated as an open joke the prevalence of homosexual rape in his prison system. ...Mr. Lockyer famously told the Journal, "I would love to personally escort [Enron Chief Ken] Lay to an 8-by-10 cell that he could share with a tattooed dude who says, `Hi, my name is Spike, honey.'" Though some chuckled at his witless quip, a better response would have been to recognize the truth that underlay the weak humor and asked Mr. Lockyer why he allows extrajudicial punishments such as rape to be carried out on inmates putatively in the state's care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squid Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Good quote, Peter. Hopefully, the backlash to this debacle will help focus attention on our domestic human rights abuses. The existence of rape as a de facto part of our penal system is inexcusable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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