Harry_Pi Posted January 17, 2004 Posted January 17, 2004 Hello capitalist! I want to meet that WHOPPER guy. Thank you for allow commie to post. Quote
dryad Posted January 17, 2004 Posted January 17, 2004 I'm flying this weekend. Greetings from Tokyo Narita airport where it's already tomorrow afternoon! Quote
catbirdseat Posted January 17, 2004 Posted January 17, 2004 Hope you get nothing but tailwinds. Quote
scott_harpell Posted January 17, 2004 Posted January 17, 2004 not really. What good does denying who you are do anyone? Go ahead... Live in fear. Some italians came up to me in Utrecht and said "You'd better be a Canadian because we hate Americans." I politely said, "I am an American" "say you are a Canadian" I said "say you are German" nuff said. Most people travel to find themselves... not to lose themselves. Quote
catbirdseat Posted January 17, 2004 Posted January 17, 2004 She can say she is a Latvian and be telling the truth. Quote
mattp Posted January 17, 2004 Posted January 17, 2004 I'm with Scott here. I've never felt the need, while travelling abroad, to pretend I'm not an American. I've had plenty of experiences with people telling me how much they dislike what America stands for, but almost never have I had anyone mistreat me because I am American. Furthermore, unless you are a complete asshole, it is good for America if we travel and meet people around the world and have them see that we Americans are just people too -- isn't it? Quote
scott_harpell Posted January 17, 2004 Posted January 17, 2004 I'm with Scott here. I've never felt the need, while travelling abroad, to pretend I'm not an American. I've had plenty of experiences with people telling me how much they dislike what America stands for, but almost never have I had anyone mistreat me because I am American. Furthermore, unless you are a complete asshole, it is good for America if we travel and meet people around the world and have them see that we Americans are just people too -- isn't it? In Cuba, people would remark how glad they were to have met me. They said that they thought we were all evil and $$$ hungry. Many governments tell lies about their enemies (including our own). The more we can let people know that we are ok people, the better, I think, in the long run. You wonder why people like Canada in Europe? Cause all of you American travellers say you are Canadian. Grow a pair and stand up for yourself. P.S. Latvian girls are crazy. Glad to hear we have one in our midst. Quote
Bug Posted January 17, 2004 Posted January 17, 2004 I have been in Syria, Mexico, and many parts of the US and I have been treated better outside of the country than I have inside. Unfortunately that doesn't magically insulate American travelers from the assholes who think killing and kidnapping will make a difference. I gave up a good carreer as an archeologist in the Middle East because Americans were being taken hostage right and left by the Shiites in Iran and their backers in the middle east. Saying that we should travel the world proclaiming our American citizenship to everyone like we have some sort of right to do so is an admirable way to risk death. Your rights will be buried with you. Terry Waite spent seven years as a hostage because he was American. I was doing the same job he was when he got taken. Try facing that reality from a shithole in the middle of the unknown world with no hope for rescue before you give advice from your living room sofa. Quote
lummox Posted January 17, 2004 Posted January 17, 2004 i am not small or weak. aint no one sayin shit to me when i travel. but this weekend i am spending time in bed trying to shake a cold. Quote
willstrickland Posted January 17, 2004 Posted January 17, 2004 I am spending the weekend braving -42F with a roll of duct tape and plastic so I can tape up the gaping hole in the back of my CAR. Returned home thurs night from a week of business travel to Anchorage to find the rear of my car completely smashed in my apt parking lot. No note, and also no rear window, and a taco'ed rear hatch door on the Suby. Made for a cold commute Fri at -25F with the windows down so as to not commit suicide by car exhaust. I hope duct tape will stick at these temps, it's -42 and falling with a thick layer of ice fog out there right now. After I tape it up, I will come inside and thaw out, drink some Red Hook IPAs and ESBs (on sale for $5 sixer). Then I will go back out and walk around my parking lot to see if I notice any bumper or trailer hitch damage on someone truck or SUV. If I find it, it's gonna be a fun day Quote
Bug Posted January 17, 2004 Posted January 17, 2004 i am not small or weak. aint no one sayin shit to me when i travel. but this weekend i am spending time in bed trying to shake a cold. While I was in Jordan, I escorted a large boosomed woman much like yourself. She didn't dare travel alone. She was also blonde and the men over there seemed to think that she would just love to do them at the drop of a hat. One of them joined her in a dressing room and reached around to cop a feel. He was wriggling on the floor when she came out. He had a bad weekend. Quote
catbirdseat Posted January 17, 2004 Posted January 17, 2004 "I am spending the weekend braving -42F with a roll of duct tape and plastic so I can tape up the gaping hole in the back of my CAR." Will, it sounds like a three dog night. Quote
scott_harpell Posted January 17, 2004 Posted January 17, 2004 Saying that we should travel the world proclaiming our American citizenship to everyone like we have some sort of right to do so is an admirable way to risk death. dont be a cock. did i say this? Quote
Bug Posted January 18, 2004 Posted January 18, 2004 not really. What good does denying who you are do anyone? Go traveling alone in an Islamic country and see if you still can't answer that question. Go ahead... Live in fear. Better to excercise a little caution in times of war than be a dead hero that no one ever hears about. Some italians came up to me in Utrecht and said "You'd better be a Canadian because we hate Americans." I politely said, "I am an American" "say you are a Canadian" I said "say you are German" nuff said. You are a stud. Now go try that Malaysia. Most people travel to find themselves... not to lose themselves. How many travel to die? Do you have to be American to find yourself? And if you aren't an American anymore, do you stop being you? I think it is pretty sad if you need to know what country you are from to relate to other cultures. In fact, I think it is quite likely that our biggest problem as a people is our inability to see things as other cultures see them. Anyway, re-read your own post to see if it's tone doesn't match mine. I didn't say "Live in fear." does that make you a cock? Quote
scott_harpell Posted January 18, 2004 Posted January 18, 2004 How many travel to die? Do you have to be American to find yourself? And if you aren't an American anymore, do you stop being you? I think it is pretty sad if you need to know what country you are from to relate to other cultures. In fact, I think it is quite likely that our biggest problem as a people is our inability to see things as other cultures see them. Anyway, re-read your own post to see if it's tone doesn't match mine. I didn't say "Live in fear." does that make you a cock? 1) Very Few 2) No 3) No 4) Me too 5) Me too 6) Tone? What tone? 7) Didn't say you did. 8) Nope, but saying i "said" something i didn't does. Quote
scott_harpell Posted January 18, 2004 Posted January 18, 2004 I wil not deny even a part of who I am in order to feel safer from the .0000001% chance of me getting into shit. Conversely, I will not proclaim loudly (or however you put it) that I am an American. Being an American comprises a very tiny fraction of who I am, but I am not going to volunteer to relenquish any part of me unless it is necessary. I am not even just an American, (citizenship wise or ethnically) in fact quite the opposite. Quote
cracked Posted January 18, 2004 Posted January 18, 2004 I wil not deny even a part of who I am in order to feel safer from the .0000001% chance of me getting into shit. Conversely, I will not proclaim loudly (or however you put it) that I am an American. Being an American comprises a very tiny fraction of who I am, but I am not going to volunteer to relenquish any part of me unless it is necessary. I am not even just an American, (citizenship wise or ethnically) in fact quite the opposite. So why do you say you are? Quote
Bug Posted January 18, 2004 Posted January 18, 2004 "not really. What good does denying who you are do anyone? Go ahead... Live in fear. Some italians came up to me in Utrecht and said "You'd better be a Canadian because we hate Americans." I politely said, "I am an American" "say you are a Canadian" I said "say you are German" nuff said. Most people travel to find themselves... not to lose themselves." I did not say that you said anything. Read carefully. If implying counts then live by your own rules and take responsibility for the things you imply I said in your quote above. Otherwise, stop whining. Quote
scott_harpell Posted January 18, 2004 Posted January 18, 2004 I wil not deny even a part of who I am in order to feel safer from the .0000001% chance of me getting into shit. Conversely, I will not proclaim loudly (or however you put it) that I am an American. Being an American comprises a very tiny fraction of who I am, but I am not going to volunteer to relenquish any part of me unless it is necessary. I am not even just an American, (citizenship wise or ethnically) in fact quite the opposite. So why do you say you are? Because it is where i live. It is where i have spent a little over 1/2 of my life. If i said that living here did not shape me, I would be a liar. The other 1/2 of the equation is that I feel that anyone who will treat anyone differently based on their nationality will continue to do so until their bluffs are called. I was accosted in Ukraine because i spoke russian in the wrong city, but i do not speak ukrainian, so i had little recourse. I feel that they were as wrong as the people who persecute Americans adn as wrong as the Americans that persecute other nationalities. Its that simple. Persecution is wrong and if you just let it happen, you are not only doing nothing, you are contributing to the problem. Obviously, if you life is seriously in danger, do whatever it takes, but lying about who you are just to be more accepted is ridiculous. Quote
lummox Posted January 18, 2004 Posted January 18, 2004 scott-harpell aint an american this weekend. yippee. Quote
ChrisT Posted January 19, 2004 Posted January 19, 2004 so how was the super secret party anyway? Quote
marylou Posted January 19, 2004 Posted January 19, 2004 It was good fun, I'm glad I went. Lots of cool people, everyone was getting along swimmingly. I think some people might be a wee bit hung over today! Quote
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