scrambler Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 Winter said: Niger and Nigeria are two different countries. My bad. Should've said that region of the world. They do share a common border. Here's what I was emphasizing: We really don't have a good grasp of what's happening in the world with regard to future trends. Hey, Winter. Suck a nut. Quote
catturdeat Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 I love a chick with dirty knockknees. And Hillary's cankles, yum YUM!! Quote
scrambler Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 Winter said: We're dumb. "I am not impressed by the Ivy League establishments. Of course they graduate the best- it's all they'll take, leaving to others the problem of educating the country. They will give you an education the way the banks will give you money- provided you can prove to their satisfaction that you don't need it." Peter De Vries (1910-93), U.S. author. The narrator (Joe Sandwich), in The Vale of Laughter, pt. 1, ch. 4 (1967). Quote
catturdeat Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 Are you sure you don't mean Piter De Vries? Harkonnen Mentat Assassin? Quote
j_b Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/29/cnna.wilson.zahn/ WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Ambassador Joe Wilson, an outspoken critic of the Bush administration's Iraq policy, blames the White House for telling a newspaper columnist that his wife, Valerie Plame, is a CIA operative. The Justice Department is investigating the claim at the request of the CIA. Wilson spoke to CNN anchor Paula Zahn Monday. ZAHN: Are you still saying this goes all the way to the top levels of the White House? WILSON: No, on the contrary, I don't have any specific information. I would hope that an investigation would yield the information as to who was responsible for the precise leak. What I do have are any number of journalist sources, none of whom I have any reason not to believe, who have said that the White House was pushing this story after the leak, after the Novak article, and including [bush political strategist] Karl Rove. ZAHN: The Washington Post reported over the weekend that at least six Washington correspondents were fed this same information. Why? WILSON: Well, I think, if The Washington Post article is correct, I think there were probably two waves. The one wave was being this -- of the phone calls to the six journalists. The only person who published an article was Mr. Novak. He's now claiming that he wasn't called. But it was in that timeframe, apparently. Then, I believe there was a second wave that occurred later on in the week, when I started getting phone calls from different journalistic outlets, saying things like, the White House is telling us that the real story here is not the 16 words. The real story is Wilson and his wife, culminating in the day that I actually did an interview on another network, saying that my understanding was that this might be against the law, after which those calls stopped. ZAHN: And why do you think you're at the receiving end of all this? WILSON: Well, I had assumed early on that it was probably because the White House wanted to discourage others from coming forward. And I have said that repeatedly, that there was nothing they could do to me. I had already told my story. The accuracy or the validity, the veracity, of my story had been sort of agreed to by the White House 36 hours or 30 hours after my article appeared in The New York Times. There was nothing particularly to be gained by going after me. But you might want to discourage other people from stepping forward. There were a number of people at the time who were speaking off the record to journalists about pressures that they felt out at the CIA. Whether those were accurate or not, those were the stories that were going around. So I thought that it might be directed at them. ZAHN: Do you believe your wife's life is in any increased danger as a result of this? WILSON: Well, I don't know. We've always thought about this in the context of what is compromised in terms of national security, what operations, what agents, what networks that have been put in place during her career. That was the focus of our thinking. I will tell you that, increasingly, people are asking that question. And I'm going to have to think about it. But I'm not -- we have not been the recipients of any general threats or even -- or specific threats. ZAHN: So you're not sure whether you fear for her safety, when you say it's something you have to think through? WILSON: Well, I'm certainly concerned about her safety, but it's -- we had not thought about it in those terms at this point. We had thought about it more in terms of the violation to our own national security. ZAHN: And, finally, I wanted to share with you something that Robert Novak [the columnist who wrote the initial report] had to say a little bit earlier today about this controversy. Let's listen to what he had to say. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "CROSSFIRE") ROBERT NOVAK, CO-HOST: According to a confidential source at the CIA, Mrs. Wilson was an analyst, not a spy, not a covert operative, and not in charge of undercover operatives. So what is the fuss about, pure Bush-bashing? (END VIDEO CLIP) ZAHN: You want to answer that question? Is this Bush-bashing on your part? WILSON: Let me make a couple of points about that. First of all, Novak also said that I was a Clinton appointee. In actual fact, my first political appointee was as ambassador. And I was appointed by George H.W. Bush, the first President Bush. So I really am apolitical in all of this. Secondly, somebody with Novak's self-described 46 years experience will know the difference between operative and analyst. And his report clearly says -- his article says operative. ZAHN: So what does that mean? WILSON: That means that I think that he knew and he was told that she was a CIA operative, which means that they come under the branch of the CIA that deals with clandestine operations. ZAHN: So you're basically saying there's no doubt in your mind that this was a leak, when in fact he said, in the course of interviewing a senior White House official, that is what he was told, and your wife's -- not her name at that point, but at least her official capacity was shared with him? WILSON: Bob Novak called me before he went to print with the report. And he said, a CIA source had told him that my wife was an operative. He was trying to get a second source. He couldn't get a second source. Could I confirm that? I said no. After the article appeared, I called him and I said: "You told me it was a CIA source. You wrote senior administration officials. What was it, CIA or senior administration?" He said to me, "I misspoke the first time I spoke to you." That makes it senior administration sources. Quote
allthumbs Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 Thank you for the nice post, Columbo. Quote
j_b Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 trask said: Thank you for the nice post, Columbo. there is nothing like facts to cut through obfuscation. did i exceed your attention span? Quote
allthumbs Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 I don't know as it once again was too fucking long to read. Get a clue Mr. Cut'n Paste...no one wants to read those long-assed boring posts you come up with. Can't you try cutting it down to a paragraph similar in size to this one? Thank you for your patience. Quote
j_b Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 trask said: I don't know as it once again was too fucking long to read. Get a clue Mr. Cut'n Paste...no one wants to read those long-assed boring posts you come up with. Can't you try cutting it down to a paragraph similar in size to this one? Thank you for your patience. there is a lot more info there than can be cut into a single paragraph. putting a spin on events takes a sentence, straigthening out the spin put on by a number of posters takes a short article. if it's too long for you, skip over it. Quote
Winter Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 scrambler said: Winter said: We're dumb. "I am not impressed by the Ivy League establishments. Of course they graduate the best- it's all they'll take, leaving to others the problem of educating the country. They will give you an education the way the banks will give you money- provided you can prove to their satisfaction that you don't need it." Peter De Vries (1910-93), U.S. author. The narrator (Joe Sandwich), in The Vale of Laughter, pt. 1, ch. 4 (1967). Sheesh, Scarmbler. Gettin a little nasty are we? Maybe this geography link will help the next time you're talking politics. Quote
allthumbs Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 j_b said: trask said: I don't know as it once again was too fucking long to read. Get a clue Mr. Cut'n Paste...no one wants to read those long-assed boring posts you come up with. Can't you try cutting it down to a paragraph similar in size to this one? Thank you for your patience. there is a lot more info there than can be cut into a single paragraph. putting a spin on events takes a sentence, straightening out the spin put on by a number of posters takes a short article. if it's too long for you, skip over it. Who appointed you chief cook and bottle washer? Must you always feel the need to "un-spin" our comments? What makes you possibly think we agree with you? I do skip over most of your shit because it's extremely boring and one-sided. I would suggest that you buy some friends and pretend you have a life, and spend less time playing "cub reporter". Again, thank you for your patience. Quote
Bug Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 trask said: j_b said: trask said: I don't know as it once again was too fucking long to read. Get a clue Mr. Cut'n Paste...no one wants to read those long-assed boring posts you come up with. Can't you try cutting it down to a paragraph similar in size to this one? Thank you for your patience. there is a lot more info there than can be cut into a single paragraph. putting a spin on events takes a sentence, straightening out the spin put on by a number of posters takes a short article. if it's too long for you, skip over it. Who appointed you chief cook and bottle washer? Must you always feel the need to "un-spin" our comments? What makes you possibly think we agree with you? I do skip over most of your shit because it's extremely boring and one-sided. I would suggest that you buy some friends and pretend you have a life, and spend less time playing "cub reporter". Again, thank you for your patience. Yeah. When Trask says "dems are dumb" you're supposed to say "No they're not". Haven't you read the rules? Quote
slothrop Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 If you can't digest more than a sentence at a time, trask, then give up all hope of ever being well-informed and give up your right to complain about the sound-bite media. Quote
j_b Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 trask said: Who appointed you chief cook and bottle washer? as your type is fond of saying .... this is america, love it or leave it .... oh 'freedom lover' Must you always feel the need to "un-spin" our comments? thankfully no. i'd have to spend the whole day doing it. What makes you possibly think we agree with you? we? do you mean, the king and you I do skip over most of your shit because it's extremely boring and one-sided. this is rich coming from you. I would suggest that you buy some friends and pretend you have a life, and spend less time playing "cub reporter". i don't spend anytime looking for articles to undo your spin on current events. i go to http://buzzflash.com/ and unlike faux news, it's all there. also, when i cut and paste, i quote the source .... not unlike someone we know. Quote
j_b Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 slothrop said: If you can't digest more than a sentence at a time, trask, then give up all hope of ever being well-informed and give up your right to complain about the sound-bite media. which of course, begs the question: how does trask form his opinions? by reading/listening to soundbites from conservative media? forcing one's opponent to utter soundbites is a good way to level the field when facts don't support one's case. Quote
allthumbs Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 Well, I guess you told me. BTW, wipe my ass for the good of the land Quote
j_b Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 from buzzflash: "Off the Record, Some Reporters Contacted by White House Say Rove Was the Leaker Who Committed Treason, According to Guardian Reporter (Audio Tape)" web page Quote
Winter Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 Shit, I can't believe you expect me to read that whole fucking sentence. Can't your draw a stick figure or trim it down to a two syllable slogan or something. This is America for fuck sake. I don't have time for journalism. Quote
j_b Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 Winter said: Shit, I can't believe you expect me to read that whole fucking sentence. Can't your draw a stick figure or trim it down to a two syllable slogan or something. This is America for fuck sake. I don't have time for journalism. you mean, something like this: you'll have to wait for the parody on this current event Quote
Winter Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 Well, I like the message, but I'm not sure the American people can deal with all that text. Maybe if they just had the cartoons and no words it would get some air play. Quote
Fairweather Posted October 1, 2003 Posted October 1, 2003 Beck said: I have never felt so betrayed as an American. TheWhite House's actions against the american people are far worst treason than any 20 radical islamic terrorists committed with four planes, I'm sorry you feel so "worst". Your statement re the hijackers and describing their actions as "treason" is moronic. Sorry, but I don't know how else to describe the above. Quote
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