Fence_Sitter Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Off_White said: I don't think we've allowed the Makah to hunt for reasons of conscience, and for sure the courts don't recognize that argument. I really think its all about the treaties, which are essentially contracts we have entered into with what we agreed at the time to treat as soverign nations. That's what makes the whole issue so meaty, what happens when you make different agreements with different entities? Truth be told, I don't know the right of it, and my personal feelings on Makah whaling are pretty mixed, but I know its not about feeling sorry for the Indians (yes, that term is widely used within Indian Country itself). As they themselves assert, they don't want special treatment, they want the US to keep its legally given promises. as i said befoer, it dosen't matter whether you view them as a nation or as a piece of teh U.S. if you call them a nation, you must criticize their refusal to ratify the moratorium on whaling...if they are a part of teh U.S. they must accept the decision of the U.S. to ratify the ban... seems likea case of takign the best of both wrolds to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 the only correct fact on this entire thread was when it was pointed out that not only can F-S not spell but he also doesnt have a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Dru said: j_b said: hunting whales is a violation of international law and cannot bo allowed in thewaters of a nation that accepted teh moritorium on whaling not for the tribes that get a quota from the IWC (Makahs have a quota). i guess it means the IWC is more sensible than you are to the needs of native tribes. invading Iraq is a violation of international law but it didnt stop F_S from cheerleading it so why is he using it as an argument now? no it wasn't...it was legal after the ordered disarmament of iraq adn the deal that they were not supposed to hamper the investigations of the weapons inspectors... because teh UN disagreed is a moot point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Fence_Sitter said: j_b said: the point is not that they were mistreated, it is that their world view has been intrisically linked to whale hunting for millenia so have many other cultures... and said cultures could get a quota from the IWC as long as whaling is for ceremonies or subsitence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Dru said: the only correct fact on this entire thread was when it was pointed out that not only can F-S not spell but he also doesnt have a clue. so where are any refutations of my points that hold any water dru... or are you just like erik and can only name call and bash my spelling... pathetic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-rock Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Off White, Oh shit you mean I didnt have to BE here. What the fuck was I thinking...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 j_b said: Fence_Sitter said: j_b said: the point is not that they were mistreated, it is that their world view has been intrisically linked to whale hunting for millenia so have many other cultures... and said cultures could get a quota from the IWC as long as whaling is for ceremonies or subsitence and since nearly every culture has engaged in whaling...there is no point for a ban now is there...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Dude, anyone can post a bunch of misspelled gibberish and then ask for a refutation but that doesnt mean I have to bother actually trying to decipher what it is they are saying to do so. If you can 1) come up with a coherent, consistent argument instead of just disagreeing with whatever anyone says cause you are bored 2) spell it properly I might pay more attention. I mean, do you really expect me to devote time to trying to prove that Norway is not Asiatic YOU are the one who is full of shit. Correct your OWN mistakes instead of trying to get me to do it for you. I'm just laughing at you cause you are so fucked you can never even spell "the" the right way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Dru said: Dude, anyone can post a bunch of misspelled gibberish and then ask for a refutation but that doesnt mean I have to bother actually trying to decipher what it is they are saying to do so. If you can 1) come up with a coherent, consistent argument instead of just disagreeing with whatever anyone says cause you are bored 2) spell it properly I might pay more attention. I mean, do you really expect me to devote time to trying to prove that Norway is not Asiatic YOU are the one who is full of shit. Correct your OWN mistakes instead of trying to get me to do it for you. I'm just laughing at you cause you are so fucked you can never even spell "the" the right way fine..asiatic + norway trivial bullshit is the only thing you can get me on canuck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 and since nearly every culture has engaged in whaling...there is no point for a ban now is there...? having engaged in whaling is not the same as having one's world view centered about whaling. you must criticize their refusal to ratify the moratorium on whaling...if they are a part of teh U.S. they must accept the decision of the U.S. to ratify the ban... seems likea case of takign the best of both wrolds to me... are you a troll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 c'mon self purported genius... find a hole in this "idiot's" arguments... note: spelling and grammatical mistakes dont count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Fence_Sitter said: Dru said: Dude, anyone can post a bunch of misspelled gibberish and then ask for a refutation but that doesnt mean I have to bother actually trying to decipher what it is they are saying to do so. If you can 1) come up with a coherent, consistent argument instead of just disagreeing with whatever anyone says cause you are bored 2) spell it properly I might pay more attention. I mean, do you really expect me to devote time to trying to prove that Norway is not Asiatic YOU are the one who is full of shit. Correct your OWN mistakes instead of trying to get me to do it for you. I'm just laughing at you cause you are so fucked you can never even spell "the" the right way fine..asiatic + norway trivial bullshit is the only thing you can get me on canuck? don't you mean "teh" only thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 j_b said: and since nearly every culture has engaged in whaling...there is no point for a ban now is there...? having engaged in whaling is not the same as having one's world view centered about whaling. you must criticize their refusal to ratify the moratorium on whaling...if they are a part of teh U.S. they must accept the decision of the U.S. to ratify the ban... seems likea case of takign the best of both wrolds to me... are you a troll? hwo could their culture be based on whaling if they haven't done it in 100 + years? what about the fact that either way you look at them (either as a sovereign nation or a part of the U.S.) they cant hunt without breaking either U.S. laws or international laws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Dru said: Fence_Sitter said: Dru said: Dude, anyone can post a bunch of misspelled gibberish and then ask for a refutation but that doesnt mean I have to bother actually trying to decipher what it is they are saying to do so. If you can 1) come up with a coherent, consistent argument instead of just disagreeing with whatever anyone says cause you are bored 2) spell it properly I might pay more attention. I mean, do you really expect me to devote time to trying to prove that Norway is not Asiatic YOU are the one who is full of shit. Correct your OWN mistakes instead of trying to get me to do it for you. I'm just laughing at you cause you are so fucked you can never even spell "the" the right way fine..asiatic + norway trivial bullshit is the only thing you can get me on canuck? don't you mean "teh" only thing as i said earlier... pathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 hwo could their culture be based on whaling if they haven't done it in 100 + years? and what has happened to their culture over the past 100years? what about the fact that either way you look at them (either as a sovereign nation or a part of the U.S.) they cant hunt without breaking either U.S. laws or international laws? they are not in violation of any laws. they have an IWC quota. are you a troll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted May 22, 2003 Author Share Posted May 22, 2003 holy shizmo batman, someone finally got dru's panties in a lather - yukity, yukity, yuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 j_b said: hwo could their culture be based on whaling if they haven't done it in 100 + years? and what has happened to their culture over the past 100years? what about the fact that either way you look at them (either as a sovereign nation or a part of the U.S.) they cant hunt without breaking either U.S. laws or international laws? they are not in violation of any laws. they have an IWC quota. are you a troll? IWC quota is bull... if everyone were able to get an IWC quota then there would be no point of having a ban on whaling at all. Ask yourself this: what are their reasons for granting quotas? And why cant anyone with a maritime origin get one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 my ancestors hunted indians...can i get an IIC quota? jsut kiddin...kinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 trask said: dru's panties in a lather - i prefer not to wash my collection actually it might damage the exquisite scents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 IWC quota is bull... so now you drop the "they are not within the law" and say the iwc decisions are bull, .. i see. if everyone were able to get an IWC quota then there would be no point of having a ban on whaling at all. not everyone can get a quota, i.e. commercial fishermen can't. Ask yourself this: what are their reasons for granting quotas? i already told you: ceremonial and subsistence. that's it. And why cant anyone with a maritime origin get one? because 1) not every marine society was/is centered about whaling, 2) some whaling societies have evolved into something else (or disappeared) 3) only few societies can now claim whaling to be spiritually important and needed for subsistence. all right you have trolled me long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted May 22, 2003 Author Share Posted May 22, 2003 Dru said: trask said: dru's panties in a lather - i prefer not to wash my collection actually it might damage the exquisite scents odeur de toilette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 l'odeur du chat stupid babelfish won't translate slang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted May 22, 2003 Author Share Posted May 22, 2003 ...yeah, I'm not 100% sure WTF I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Fence Sitter, You're a moron of major proportions. OW is totally right. Dru is right too. So you were in the army? You were in ROTC? I bet you call your little vacations, "Army experience." AND GOD DAM IT HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO SPELL, "THE," THE RIGHT WAY. I'm a shitty speller, but at least I try and have some respect for others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 AlpineK said: Fence Sitter, You're a moron of major proportions. OW is totally right. Dru is right too. So you were in the army? You were in ROTC? I bet you call your little vacations, "Army experience." AND GOD DAM IT HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO SPELL, "THE," THE RIGHT WAY. I'm a shitty speller, but at least I try and have some respect for others. and after that you ask if i have respect for others? eat me tree raper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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