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Good morning, fuckers!

 

Just to brighten your day, I say we're into Iraq for at least ten years, and this doesn't even include agressions against Iran. And that shitter Bush looks more and more like he's one of the cast of "The Dark Crystal", the power is morphing him into some kind of sickening lizard thing.

 

Gotta go, the cannon fodder needs grooming...

 

(Did anyone catch "Fresh Air" last night. Her guest was making me physically sick with his analysis of the shituation.)

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tomcat said:

Necronomicon said:

Good morning, fuckers!

 

I say we're into Iraq for at least ten years

 

It sure beats the alternative.

 

Not being into Iraq for ten years? Or Iraqi ICBM's raining down chemical, biological, and, god no, "nucular" warheads into the heartland of America?

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Necronomicon said: Not being into Iraq for ten years? Or Iraqi ICBM's raining down chemical, biological, and, god no, "nucular" warheads into the heartland of America?

 

FOR SALE: Older large span bridge on the Eastern seaboard, lovingly maintained, single owner.

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trask said:

It's all good. The U.S. will now have a strong presence in the Middle East. Lock and load gumbies and watch your sixes for ragheads bearing gifts.

 

I've been watching "The Deer Hunter" over and over again as a pre-history lesson.

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tomcat said:

Being in Iraq for ten years beats being terrorized by Saddam's regime for a lifetime.

 

Word up, man. Like Trask said, watch your six; their type of war can be brought anywhere. Good luck and God speed to the brothers we know going overseas. Shoot straight. thumbs_up.gif

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Bush abandons diplomacy, demands Saddam's exile

 

 

 

WASHINGTON (CP) - Iraq rejected a U.S. ultimatum on Monday, warning instead that an American attack to forcibly oust President Saddam Hussein from power would be "a grave mistake."

Earlier, U.S. President George W. Bush said Saddam has until late Wednesday to abandon power and flee Iraq or face a U.S.-led military onslaught aimed at hunting him down and dismantling his government. "Saddam Hussein and his sons must leave Iraq within 48 hours," Bush said Monday in a nationally televised address. "Their refusal to do so will result in military conflict, commenced at a time of our choosing."

 

 

However, defiant to the end, Saddam gave no sign of heeding Bush's demands that he step down within 48 hours, or face war. He warned that American forces will find an Iraqi fighter ready to die for his country "behind every rock, tree and wall."

 

His sentiments were echoed by the Iraqi ambassador to the United Nations.

 

"The Iraqi side refused to accept what has been said by Bush, and this will be really the very bad solution for the whole region, for Iraq, for the United States . . . and for the humanity, Ambassador Mohammed Al-Douri said.

 

"This will destabilize not only the region but other parts of the world. So I think this would be a mistake, a grave mistake from the part of the American administration to launch this war against my country."

 

The ultimatum is almost certain to trigger a war that will roil the Middle East, sorely test the strength of America's alliances and put the Bush presidency on the line.

 

Saddam has previously vowed to stand and fight. Iraq's foreign minister said "any child" knew Saddam would not willingly go into exile.

 

Bush's ultimatum essentially served as a declaration of war.

 

A massive "shock and awe" air attack that would see a storm of 3,000 satellite-guided bombs rain down on Iraq could come as soon as Thursday.

 

As he put the country on war footing, Bush also raised the terror alert from yellow to orange, the second-highest level, warning that terrorists may strike U.S. interests at home or abroad in response to action against Iraq.

 

A political effort to resolve the crisis ended in a diplomatic train wreck at the United Nations.

 

"I can think of nothing that Saddam Hussein could do diplomatically," U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said earlier Monday. "That time is now over."

 

It was a jarring day for a country unaccustomed to facing down threats without a large measure of international support. For the first time since the Vietnam War, the United States is prepared to initiate a conflict that is opposed by a vast majority of the world.

 

Any protracted struggle is laden with political risks for Bush. Americans back the war, but not in large numbers. Bush will be counting on a quick end to the war with relatively few casualties. A long and bloody conflict that increases the volatility in the Middle East and triggers terrorism at home could doom his presidency.

 

Unlike the Persian Gulf War of 1991 or the fight to expel Serbian forces from Kosovo, there is no vast multinational coalition lending this military initiative the patina of international approval.

 

There are more than a quarter-million American and British troops in a ring ready to close in on Iraq. Poland and Australia announced they were prepared to allow its forces to participate in the operation aimed at ejecting Saddam, and Spain has also promised to lend its support to the operation.

 

But much of the world will condemn this mission. Outside of the United States and Israel, a majority of virtually every country in the world opposes war on Iraq.

 

Prime Minister Jean Chretien told the House of Commons that Canada would not join a war that wasn't sanctioned by the UN Security Council. His announcement was followed by a rousing ovation by Liberal MPs.

 

France led the fight to block the United Nations from sanctioning the conflict. And Russian President Vladimir Putin called war with Iraq "a mistake" that will lead to worldwide instability.

 

The first casualty of the war was inflicted on British Prime Minister Tony Blair's cabinet.

 

Robin Cook, the leader of Blair's government in the House of Commons and a former foreign secretary, resigned Monday in protest over Blair's unswerving support for the U.S.-led attack on Iraq.

 

Bush and his British and Spanish allies say Saddam has refused to surrender Iraq's alleged stockpiles of banned chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.

 

United Nations weapons inspectors, however, say they have found no such weapons during more than three months of searching in Iraq.

 

Bush spoke directly to the Iraqi people, promising them the United States would help rebuild their country once they were rid of Saddam.

 

Members of the Iraqi forces were also sent a message: "If war comes, do not fight for a dying regime that is not worth your own life."

 

"In any conflict, your fate will depend on your actions. Do not destroy oil wells, a source of wealth that belongs to the Iraqi people. Do not obey any command to use weapons of mass destruction against anyone, including the Iraqi people. War crimes will be prosecuted. War criminals will be punished."

 

Signs of the looming military conflict were omnipresent and unmistakable.

 

Foreign embassies in Iraq pleaded with their nationals to leave the Middle East. UN weapons inspectors scrambled to evacuate Baghdad before the expected storm of weaponry rains down on the Iraqi capital.

 

There was a palpable sense of heightened anxiety in Baghdad. Sandbags have been piled at key intersections. Shopkeepers have moved their goods back into warehouses to prevent looting. The price of bottled water has doubled. Long lines formed at gasoline stations.

 

With the Americans telling him his time in power was dwindling down to hours, Saddam admitted Iraq once had weapons of mass destruction but has since destroyed them.

 

"We are not weapons collectors," Saddam said Monday, according to Iraq's state-run news agency. "But we had these weapons for purposes of self- defence when we were at war with Iran for eight years and when the Zionist (Israel) entity was - and it still is - a threat."

 

Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida has threatened further atrocities will be aimed at the United States if they invade Iraq.

 

Bush warned that war could lead to retaliatory strikes by terrorists on U.S. interests at home and abroad, and said he had ordered increased security at airports and along U.S. waterways.

 

"These attacks are not inevitable. They are, however, possible," Bush said. "We will not be intimidated by thugs and killers."

 

The U.S. president might find comfort and concern in the latest public opinion polls on war with Iraq. Almost two-thirds of Americans - 64 per cent - supported the idea of an invasion sanctioned by the UN, according to a new USA Today survey.

 

But backing drops to just 47 per cent without UN support.

 

The political effort to resolve the crisis derailed Monday at the United Nations. Canada had been working hard the last few weeks to broker a compromise on the Iraqi crisis, but all but gave up efforts after the United States, Britain and Spain withdrew plans for a new UN resolution in the face of a French threat to veto it.

 

Losing a vote at the Security Council would have been a blow to U.S. prestige. Instead of running that risk, the Bush administration chose to gamble on a war without the gloss of UN approval.

 

Ambassadors from the United States and Britain heaped scorn on France for rejecting the proposed resolution before Baghdad last week.

 

France's ambassador to the UN scurried to a microphone immediately afterward to defend his country.

 

"They have realized that the majority in the council is against and oppose a resolution authorizing the use of force. This is the position of the huge majority in the council," said Jean Marc de la Sabliere.

 

No use of force would be "legitimate" at this time because "inspections are producing results."

 

France proposed giving Iraq another month to comply with UN disarmament demands.

 

Bush and Blair would countenance no further delay

 

 

 

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Greg_W said:

tomcat said:

Being in Iraq for ten years beats being terrorized by Saddam's regime for a lifetime.

 

I am in love with Necronomicon

 

Thanks, Greg, I'm glad you've finally seen the light.

 

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You fucking peace-nic fucking Canadians make me fucking sick. I can't wait until we invade so that I can KILL YOU. No more of your canadian bacon and freedom fries and gravy bullshit. Watch your back, fucker. You die next, after we're done with the pull-starts.

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Thanks for posting that article Dru. France and Canada are of the same ilk; they refuse to help now, but they'll demand a piece of the pie when it's over. hellno3d.gif In '91, Hussein said that every Iraqi would fight and they were surrendering to anything that moved.

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iraqi is a ba'athist

iraqi is afraid of other iraqis

iraqi is just out for himself

iraqi is their main point

iraqi is around $10 per month

iraqi is as likely to be a city

iraqi is still far from total compliance

iraqi is unable to acquire adequate foodstuffs

iraqi is noticed by the man on the street

iraqi is paying the price of war

iraqi is oppressed

iraqi is the occupier of

iraqi is as precious in the eyes of god as any other

iraqi is 4000 dinars per month

iraqi is complying with un

iraqi is not treated as a villain

iraqi is able to acquire an additional 500 calories worth of food per day

iraqi is the person who was born in iraq

iraqi is really no different than the "common" american

iraqi is going to miss him

iraqi is trapped and isolated in an individual cocoon

iraqi is an iraqi whether he is in or out of

iraqi is not thinking in

iraqi is fluent in english

iraqi is surrounded by a thick cloud of punditry

iraqi is a small effort to present iraqi art and culture on the web

iraqi is actually the mesopotamian form of arabic

iraqi is pretty incredible

iraqi is starving

iraqi is assessed to be on the verge of producing vx but is not known to have done so

iraqi is also known to have biological gravity bombs and tons of vx nerve gas

iraqi is where the hawk led

iraqi is romantically involved with his wife

iraqi is difficult at best

iraqi is suffering under international sanctions

iraqi is so intrigued by current developments in cloning technology that he would like nothing

iraqi is doing its best in order to avoid american and british agression

iraqi is pretty much the same as his american enemy and

iraqi is reading”

iraqi is said to have deployed 25 sa

iraqi is unlikely to

iraqi is anxious to speed up

iraqi is going to badmouth the f15

iraqi is serving black lemon tea; an egyptian brings the habblibubbly

iraqi is in serious need of basic medicines and medical care

iraqi is being investigated

iraqi is hiding weapons of mass

iraqi is a moslem as rest of us

iraqi is thought to have increased 330 mbd

iraqi is being prepared under the guise of unseating iraqi president saddam hussein

iraqi is like sinbad' the 42 year old film makers says

iraqi is the most elegant and exquisite

iraqi is deprived from his

iraqi is in every

iraqi is entitled

iraqi is steadfast in battling deportation; the doctor

iraqi is going to fight against the americans

iraqi is trying to prove to the whole world that they are with their leader and have the courage to die in honor and dignity

iraqi is entitled to a basic monthly ration of flour

iraqi is discredited or disproven in any way

iraqi is dead

iraqi is really sorry that he is going to go

iraqi is still ready to vent his rage on wahlberg because his

iraqi is as entitled to basic human rights as you and i

iraqi is being deliberately killed every two minutes by conditions of life inflicted by the sanctions

iraqi is carrtied onto a plane that will bring six iraqi children to cairo

iraqi is already all but "out of the box"

iraqi is mentioned here

iraqi is sufficient

iraqi is a citizen of the middle eastern nation of iraq

iraqi is that there is no reason to

iraqi is a victim

iraqi is developing weapons

iraqi is not thinking in political terms

iraqi is the occupier of the kurds??? land

iraqi is noncompliant

iraqi is saying no

iraqi is entitled for billions of us$ as compensation for us past and present state terrorism

iraqi is discredited or

 

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Necronomicon said:

Greg_W said:

tomcat said:

Being in Iraq for ten years beats being terrorized by Saddam's regime for a lifetime.

 

I am in love with Necronomicon

 

Thanks, Greg, I'm glad you've finally seen the light.

 

Fuck you Necro, I still think you are a piece of shit.

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Greg_W said:

Thanks for posting that article Dru. France and Canada are of the same ilk; they refuse to help now, but they'll demand a piece of the pie when it's over. hellno3d.gif In '91, Hussein said that every Iraqi would fight and they were surrendering to anything that moved.

 

i thought USA said they were going to rebuild a strong and independent iraq... you suggest a war of conquest and a new american colony?

 

ha! now you speak truth! tongue.gif

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Greg_W said:

Thanks for posting that article Dru. France and Canada are of the same ilk; they refuse to help now, but they'll demand a piece of the pie when it's over. hellno3d.gif In '91, Hussein said that every Iraqi would fight and they were surrendering to anything that moved.

 

That was before twelve years of sanctions.

 

Curious, though. What is your opinion on how we can expect to successfully invade and occupy a country of approx 22M with 150K groundtroops?

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yeah i just hate it when the other kids don't agree with us.

 

you guys crack me up. this country is all about everyone being entitled to their own opinion. Yet when another nation disagrees w/us you get your knickers in a knot.

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Dru said:

Greg_W said:

Thanks for posting that article Dru. France and Canada are of the same ilk; they refuse to help now, but they'll demand a piece of the pie when it's over. hellno3d.gif In '91, Hussein said that every Iraqi would fight and they were surrendering to anything that moved.

 

i thought USA said they were going to rebuild a strong and independent iraq... you suggest a war of conquest and a new american colony?

 

ha! now you speak truth! tongue.gif

 

Well, Dru and Necro, I would guess that we would draw on the occupation and restoration model that we used in Germany after WWII. Hopefully, this one would be simpler and much shorter. They might have to re-name C.A.R.E. packages to C.A.R.I. packages

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Greg_W said:

Thanks for posting that article Dru. France and Canada are of the same ilk; they refuse to help now, but they'll demand a piece of the pie when it's over. hellno3d.gif In '91, Hussein said that every Iraqi would fight and they were surrendering to anything that moved.

Canadians are pulling serious duty in Afghanistan.

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