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wtf are you saying here?

Really? I'm flattered. Explain to me how that quote was out of context. The author does not agree with MM, but that quote is in no way out of context. The link, however, was irrelevant. So you found another fringe website that doesn't like MM; so what? Shall I post the numerous websites that don't like Scott Harpell? What does it add to the argument (remember, we're discussing whether or not MM decieves or lies merely to line his well-padded pocket). Stick to the topic, you're boring me.

You two should get a room. We're discussing Micheal Moore here. Go start your own pink-text thread.

interesting choice, Scott. Enjoy the taste of your own petard.. (i'll explain the reference if it eludes you) Which is it Scott? Is Moore a lying bastard, or "too honest?" Maybe you should pick more consistent sources. Hell, maybe you should think for yourself. Maybe you should give up and get some sleep.

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politics are an expression of morals. If you're religious, then your morals are an extension of your religion, and yes, we'd be talking about religion. But, if you're a heathen crack-smoking, godless, communist, infidel jerk like myself, 'belief' is a very concrete concern that helps one decipher which experiences are 'real' and which are simply acid flashbacks. I hope this clarifies things, you bat-winged serpent.

Nice use of the red text, Klenke. Very bold. Very, very bold.

Cracked, as Klenke pointed out earlier, we're all human, we will all fail to live up to our ideals, and our heros are human and will let us down. That's no excuse for not trying, or for failing to believe. oh I can't resist the To Kill a Mockingbird quote "It's when you know you 're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." makes one all weepy, no?

Nice freudian, Cracked.

You don't count. I'm ignoring YOU!

half-time scorecard: Klenke and j_b : focus on the topic; we're talking Micheal Moore here Cracked: you've summed up politics nicely. Now get involved. Scott: you relying on silly sources. do more homework JoshK: doing well. I think you're ahead right now. Ok, boys, break is over. Get out there and give 'em hell!

Klenke- Yeah, this thread is becoming overly tedious. We'll discuss the matter this weekend like gentlemen: over tequila. c-ya

yeah, but I'm recovering from surgery and high on painkillers...what else am i gonna do?

Dude! That is such a great link! I was wondering where all the head-cases went to have their beliefs confirmed!

I'm willing to believe that Moore was wrong about the Littlewood facilities, but you'll have to substantially back up your argument. An unsourced quote from McCollum simply makes it one man's word against anothers. Besides, the last time I talked with friends who work for Lockheed, they weren't allowed to tell me specifically what they worked on, i.e. this will be a particularly thorny issue to resolve, since it is often gov't policy to deny defense activites at certain sites. You'll have to work hard to be convincing on this issue, or just move on to the next one.

Yep, I'll need a lot more to convince my that Micheal Moore is on a deliberate campaign to lie and deceive. Keep 'em coming.

Short answer: Hell, yes! Next question?

Being an effective story-teller does not translate into being a good leader. As you say.. The only moral way to live is to die for you beliefs? Isn't that a little dramatic? Bullshit. He's no Brad Pitt -he wasn't there because he's looks good on camera. He's there precisely becuase at least some people thought what he has to say has value. To accept accolades for his criticism of past events and yet remain silent in the face of current events would be hypocritical. whatever, Klenke. You're getting extra belay slack on Sunday. Damn, it's like arguing with my couch. You're missing the point again, Klenke. I'm not implying it's important where he's from geographically- it's where he's from morally and politically. He's been consistent and on point from way back when, back when it would've been laughable to call him a money grubbing capitalist. Keep up, son.

A friend was up there this weekend, & claimed snow added an extra six miles to the approach. Of course, I don't believe anything this guys says.

You're undermining yourself here, Scott. Go back and look at the man's history. You're not doing your arguement any favors.

Go get 'em, Josh. Keep your mind open and your facts straight, but you're doing the right thing!

I love Micheal Moore. He says the shit that needs to be said. Often, he's over-reaching, but a bass-ackward place like this, where the media is controlled by the monied few, a voice like his is necessary. Where Klenke is offended by Moore's 'political grandstanding where said activities are unwarranted'- I would suggest that his motives are sincere- the dude is trying to change the world, every fucking day. There is no 'downtime' for your morals, no day when they aren't necessary. Knowing where Moore comes from, his background working for years at a Podunk weekly in Flint, there's really no way you can plausibly claim that his motives are cynical. The guy was fighting the good fight when it made him poor, and he's doing it now that he's made the big time. Good for him. To Micheal Moore and every other asshole who won't shut up (JoshK!)

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so...he's a good Republican? Any kid from Flint, MI, who makes it big in the world based on his best-selling books and movies gets at the very least my grudging admiration and respect. I think you're just jealous.

Damnit, Klenke! Is nothing sacred?! Besides, anyone could see that the article is about a lousy Octopus!! This willful misrepresentation of the facts makes you as bad as Micheal Moore..or Rumsfield. If you're really interested in my love life, talk to these guys. or get the straight scoop here. some teaser quotes: I get all woozy just reading about it. They have some less than flattering comments about me, but I can rise above it. w00t w00t