erik

money drives everything...... i dont know if this is true or not, but i thought we were/are able to see the contracts the consessionaires have with the nps....freedom of info act?? it would be interesting to see what kind of profit each(nps, gsi) plans to make each season....being this all public land i would personally think that the profit margins should be kept low to not out price anyone.....maybe even have some sort of social program to get into the park for less fortuante people..... cause why should certain people profit from public land???? especially at the expense of the owners??

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quote: Originally posted by max: Erik, you're so Zen! yes your mother taught me to be so svelt of hand and light with the tongue in true zen fashion.....

sorry for the poor typing here in oly we have been struck i have already eaten the neighbro cats and am eyes their dog next.... i hate to die........ u.t. try and save me some beer i am trying to lasso a ton-ton to get north to the great city!!!

there is this one place called yosemite... i hear it is pretty good like a 2 hour drive maybe 3 depending on traffic.. also there is another place just being developed (shhhh!) called lake tahoe....there a few established routes ona cliff called divorcees cliff(?) but really man, my folks live down that direction and all you are getting into is some real sweet stuff calvares domecomsummes river gorgethe valleytahoe and all its cragssonora areacastle cragsall that bay area crapmy mind is whirrling around at a million miles an hour trying to pull names and if i think of more i will lst them and i have quite a few giudes for the area....maybe i will part with some if it works out just right

quote: Originally posted by max: Yeah, TNF, Patagonia, MH, OR, BD, etc. plaster their labels on things so .... we know we're safe in "gear for extreme conditions", not so everyone knows we're "wannabe outdoor enthusiasts. " max, seeing you are from boulder, i woud think that the wannabe status was tattoed on your forehead??? right next to r.a.d.o.!!!! commercialization is bogus, but the shear fact that people wear this shit(me too) is not grounds for execution....well maybe in some senses it is, but we need to talk to bone about that. im glad you left our state!! [ 03-07-2002: Message edited by: erik ]

in that case cam, you are better off staying home.

u.t. do you really think that is enough beer?? was the artic down strikes and the city is frozen in a ice age like deep freeze, the more beer probably means the more ladies you got floating your boat!!!!! more beer will be needed for the apocalypse!!!

yes cam, the brisdge is gone and has been since the fall.... i heard a rumor of a cable being up, but bring your bike instead and peddle the mile of so.....i would believe that a cable might cause more harm due to the looky lu's driving on hwy12..... now as plans to contruct another bridge i have heard both sides, yes and no.....so i dont know....though you would think maybe thats where some of our parking permit money would go....to improve the facilites.....i doubt it though those 1999 chevy trucks the fish and game are driving around are getting wore out, probably time to buy news ones....

isn't that why everyone has a girlfriend?? to do stuff like that for you......

bone, i was talking about mount yourmom.....my old favorite crag.... but now that you mention it, yeah i guess they work there too..... this is in spray right??? and oh yeah i have one those ropes and highly recomend it!!! [ 03-07-2002: Message edited by: erik ]

well greg, when you move away from exit 38 there are routes and crag where a 70m rope works much better..... all my ropes are 70m and i carry them in the mtns..... cannot we not stop the stupidity!!!!!!

chucK me think you are a bad person....me think i might see you at index again this weekend....tooo.... me think thread creep could be stopped with cauterization..... me know it is a white out in oly right now!!!!

just trolling for you lover!!!! as far as the rest of post goes......me not be too worried about proper communication with you....me also have higher education to use, but apply in other fields then spraybing... me like to have fun with others and get reaction...you serve that well....i am wanting to be very zen with mysaelf and the way i do conduct everything..... me founbd logic classes along wiht most philosphically endevor most worthless, nme like to be practicall...me like to be making practical joke.....me communicvcate funny...hahahahahahahahaaahaha and me thinks your r.a.d.o. tattoo next to your wannbe one...me think you miss context of messasge contained within message me also think you not speak of what you might not know...maybe me be from eastern washington too...maybe me family still be there.... me think maybe this is soo much funnnn me also think you are a dispicable person to make statements about israelis.....specailly in that context....me think you have issues with self worth... me hope you have a great day dave mad max brannon......and climb safe and fast in the mountains....

you will have to contend with over beta spewing undergrades, most of whom tend to be of the male group....luckily enough the indoor tennis courts are next door and plenty a fine coed struts by in a short little tennis skirts.... i have even been know to engage in a game of tennis instead of "CRANKIN" and to that i answer fore!!

quote: Originally posted by payaso: W- Take another Bong hit and go back to bed. It's not like Fairweather is speaking for Gail Norton and advocating an 8 lane, raised drivearound highway to be built around the park or anything. P Puget is right in that this irrational spew only divides the environmental community when united, we would probably get most of what we want. Big $ developers are hoping that your incoherent ass shows up at public meetings because it makes the whole environmental community look like a bunch of dreadlocked hippies. Save your hatred for someone who deserves it [ 03-07-2002: Message edited by: payaso ] payso, i think you might want to go back and work on your mountaineer orienteerin skillz cause i think you are off route..... thought both fw and w has selfish posts, we have to look beyond what is good for us, and see what is good for the mountain...... and in 'w' case i believe he even outlined what is good fo us too.....mudslides, cost overruns and repeated repair to single road.....sounds like ole boy hit all the points... fw on the other hand is starting to sound redundent on all his posts....now he is using emotion in an attepmt to get fellow people to hear and abade his cry for unjust for the 9-5er....fw shame on you....that liberal tactic of not useing the facts and replacing them with emotion is quite sicking to the a member of the wa state repub party.....blahhhh.....bllaaaahhhhh..... compromise is the answer to all debates, we have to always find middle ground...in this case i think we should banish all conseconaires from the park and close most of the roads....that way we will keep the rv's and the mtneers out of the park.....with a little more approach/less people maybe then mother nature can voice her opinion on the subject without having to wisper of the noise.... and payso again, i love mopney, trees, mtns and my suv so plz plz plz keep your company rhetoric to your company cause i aint intrested in buying any more wilderness ot parking fee or paying a membership fee to the world........ and pp you always try to use too many big words and i think your point is usually lost, cause ytou are trying to overpower the conversation.... [ 03-07-2002: Message edited by: erik ]

I WANT TO DEBATE MY POSITION ON THE LIST....... I THINK SERIOULY THAT I AM MORE AORUND # 3,489,654,224,562 I HAVEHAD MY DAY, BUT IT HAS PASSED...... I AM OLD SKOOL CAUSE I STILL PLAY WITH PLAYSKOOL

stefan that guy has been around for years..... his buddy is pasayten pete, though they might even be the same person....i have yet to have the pleasure to meet this fellow, but i cannot wait for some reason i can always relate to folks like this....... his effort is nearly unparalled by any climber that i know....several roller types of luggage would be b!@#h to even think about dealing with....i hate one medium sized back pack.... props to that homeboy!!!!

w- one thing to remember is that most of the national parks have been set aside for the enjoyment of people.....and in this world it means access, access, access..... not that i disagree with you one bit, but that has to be taken in account.....unfortunatly....but it does.... i am one for less services and more wilderness, but that will not happen, atlest mora has a reasonable superintendent, whom is active in getting the publics view....if that were the case in other n.p. there might be less user conflict/eco-damage......and more enjoyment of the enviroment for all.... the mtneers attpemt to get the w side road open just re=proves the self serving nature of their organization, just like their complience to the barely legal demo-fee program....bend over or we might not get it all attitude is sicking...... we as humans do not have the right to tread everywhere, if that were the case i think we would be much harrier and all have big feet...... after this passes, focusing on keep commericilaztion out of known and listed wilderness areas should be the priority.....that will be the next eco-war......freddy needs to relize that the world doe snot always need to be packaged and sold....hard worl get better personally efforts but bring less money to the table for many groups whom avoid it.....money is and will be the key to securing wilderness or even un-touched(is there any left) open areas...... i always thought that solitude came from two words.....solid and attitude.......well if it comes down to it, lets give em both...

you can get a membership at the ups gym.....i believe it is $100....the gym is located in a racquet ball court within in the field house.....not too bad as far as gyms go....and i think you might be able to get a disoucnt if you claim some sort of route setter status.....

soundz like i made the wrong choice!! sounz like a lot of fun ray you sponsering next week in the quah??? [ 03-06-2002: Message edited by: erik ]

my friend allen is making the drive in a couple weeks and would like a partner..... his truck split gas and driving..... he is not coming back, so this is a way one way deal. he is a great person and i would recommend hanging with him over most people..... contact me and i will put you in touch with him.

i always thought that canary was classic 5.fun++ with a little heady challenge thrown in for good measure..... but as always all grades are subjective from person to person, area to area.......i have never really nitced the huge differences from areas to areas...but then again i am trying on focusing on the climb and not the numbers....

radon, i made a comperision once similar to your and was enlightend by a fellow cc'er to how ignorant that statement is..... so anytime you are recieving a service you are doing something bad??? most guides do guiding cause they enjoy it...do you know if hookers enjoy their job??? i have never been guided and most likely never will, but you state that these people are not learning how to climb....i beg to differ....experiences and challenges are met differently by every person... and the consessionaires are all the services at mt rainier not just the guide service.....think about that $3 hot chocolate, or your fluffed pillows...not just one buyt many things are stealing from rainier and non of them are illegal like the prostitution thing glad to see you are interested in the mtn, but i dont think your tact is that good.... take some advice from a non-tactful person....think before we speak!!! peace out anf have fun give a no vote for all services from me!!!!

i've tried the lot and as far as they go all work fairly well..... the best climbers/runners were the mtn masters though with wearing them out every couple months i have given up, since i am not game on stealing from rei by returning something that i have worn out...guide all might has a real soft sole... the garmont clib pretty well, but are too stiff to really hike in, though i noticed that have a new entry into the everything shoe market now and it looks a little more sporty..... the sportiva shoes all suck for walking in....cept for their hiking approach shoes...... havent really ttied anything else, but if you save them only for climbing, the mtn master should be your shoe of choice..