i am wondering thou....certainly it is nice that people put forth effort and establish new routes. but do they truly own the route??
i would imagine that most climbs lay on public property, so essentially they belong to all americans, climbers and non climbers.
should we consider the non-climbers??? more so then the fa'ers??? since they equally own the land.
also should there be a period of time that once expires to contact the fa'ist would be null??
and i completly disagree with having to contact the fa'er to replace old/mankey fixed hardware. fixed protection was placed to be bomber and thus always should be.
well this is prolly random, so i will stop.
way to keep thinking karl, our the survival of our sports history relys on it.