AlpineK

quote: Originally posted by jkrueger: I only read the first 5 pages of 20... [ 01-30-2002: Message edited by: jkrueger ] Your missing the best part keep reading.

quote: Originally posted by BelaySlave: Like what? How to do a Z-pulley set up. Or how to climb steep angles with one axe. Or how to be a dumb-ass. Get bent. Maybe I could teach you how to deal with someone poking a little fun at you.

Hey TTT clean out your PM box so I can send you one.

quote: Originally posted by jkrueger: I searched the entire bbs for "pot", "bowl", or "smoke" and it returned nothing. Either the system has been tokin' it or the threads containing said Deja Vu were deleted - so I guess I missed out on that one... I can see the potential benefits of focus and relaxation, but the consequences for having a stoner moment are pretty damn steep! Send me a PM and I'll clue you in

Yes BS I'm the biggest dick you will ever meet unless you run into CrazyJZ. If I ever see you I'm gonna teach you a lesson you won't forget

Dynafit Dynafit, Dynafit. Light, Light, Light. The bindings are tough too. They weigh so much less than everything else. You are a sucker if you buy anything else

If your getting an approach set up 3 words-- cheap old Silverettas. If you want to rip it up one word--- Dynafit.

BS are you in the insurance industry? Or aren't you able to find the cap lock key?

Martins book wasn't out when Greg wrote the article. That is true, but someone could have stopped by Martin's store or got ahold of Lowell Scoog... Or even walked over to Alpental and ask a ski patroler. So yeah its just a ski run it's not a big issue. But I think the right to name a route is. You gotta earn the right by being first or after a bunch of reasearch finding out that none of the original ascenders/descenders bothered to. Like any game there are rules. I've seen people get into fights over what one person thought was cheating in pool.. Anyhow after reading what Phil and Greg had to say I may write Couloir with a correction, but I don't think I'll have anything nasty to say. The Slot couloir is a great ski. I recomend it, and it's nice to see it getting some national recognition (hopefully there won't be lines of people waiting to ski it).

quote: Originally posted by mikeadam: I would rather be skiing blues all day on 210cm straight skis than beating my chest here. I'll do it anyway... [ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: mikeadam ] Me too. I'm just waiting for the snow pack to settle and or the weekend resort crowds to go back to work.

quote: Originally posted by dbb: --> well, if it's in a book, you add two and two together. (wait, maybe I should spell things out again for you: doh, it's in a published then maybe they just had fun skiing it.) anyhow, who cares... it's just skiing. In the article Greg uses the name Enigma, but never Slot for the couloir, and he never cites any other descents. Also I take issue with use of the word, "discovering," in the title. My main point is you get to name a route if you are the first up or down it, or if after a long search you can't find the first ascender/descender. In this case the couloir already had a name no matter how much you might like the name, "Enigma." [ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: AlpineK ]

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Good Snowmobiler... anyone with a machine that will tow me into the BC Bad Snowmobiler... anyone with a machine that won't give me a tow.

The you I'm referring to is Greg and Phil. I'm requesting input from them publicly dbb since the article was printed in a magazine with national circulation. I've checked out Phil's site and read his trip report, and to his credit he says near the end of the report that they found out the couloir had been skied previously. Since he, and I assume Greg, knew (over a year ago) that the couloir had been skied before this should have been written in to the article. If Couloir edited this part out then they shouldn't have. But if Greg omitted the fact and used the word, "Discovering," in the article title then he is being disingenuous. Either way an article that provides a route description, in a magizine with national circulation, should contain accurate information. Oh and I'm with Icegirl on the use of the word, "Discovering." While dbb's dictionary may be accurate, without citing other descents and names to the couloir Greg (or Couloir mag) is passively implying a first descent. [ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: AlpineK ]

On rereading the Couloir article I do see a reference in small print at the bottom of the article citing Martin's book as a source, but I still see no reference to the name, "Slot." It seems to me you are implicitly saying you got a first descent with the article title, "Discovering the Enigma Couloir," and no reference to either the Slot Couloir or the first descender that Martin cites. [ 01-26-2002: Message edited by: AlpineK ]

I was checking out the article CJZ is talking about. There are some nice pictures in there that make Snoqualmie pass look really good. After reading the story, I come away with a few questions though. I'm sure Phil and Greg discovered the Slot/Enigma couloir for themselves, and I'm all for going places and figuring out stuff for yourself. However it does seem disingenuous to never mention in the article that the couloir has another name (Slot). Certainly if someone were looking for Beta telling them the couloir was also called the Slot couloir and there is a description in Martin Volken's Snoqualmie pass guide would be a big help. Now help me out here. Martin lists the couloir as the, "Slot," and the first descent being made by Jan Kordel. Yet when I read the article I come away with the impression that Phil and Greg did the first descent, though they never come out and say that. Perhaps I missed something, but if Martin is right then I think this fact should have been part of the story. I may be stirring up a hornets nest, but I would like to hear Phil and or Greg's views on this. [ 01-26-2002: Message edited by: AlpineK ]

I agree that setting a route with intentional huge run outs is lame. Or at least there should be only one in every climbing area. I've been to the base of Perilous Journey on Micky Maus Wall and checked it out, and I'm glad all face climbs aren't like that. Most old school face climbs seem to have bolts at stances where the leader could let go of the rock and drill; which leads to long runouts. I think that the combo of electric/gas drills and rap bolting makes it too easy to set up routes. Because of that climbers need to try and control the urge to shoot bolts in everything, or else someone else will control it for climbers. I would like to add I've climbed a route mattp and his gang (or is it club) bolted, and I thought they did a great job. But I've also climbed bolted routes where the FA party should never been alowed to touch a drill.

Phil I think you and Greg are focusing on one part of the thread. There was an accident at Crystal, people were ripping on snowboarders, A guy named Ludwig came up, and some people were ripping on resort skiers with more money than sense. So instead of whining. Ignore the part you don't like and add to the other parts you do like or skip the whole thing.

quote: Originally posted by gregm: another tele vs AT debate. yeah yeah yeah. BORING! Boring? Dude I can rip on telemarkers all day and still come back for more.

quote: Originally posted by Bronco: Admitted bambi, daffy, smokey and other mammal killer. Black Bear hunting with a bow, done it. Not as exiting as you might think, but takes a lot of skill, confidence and some nerve, (all traits to shoot for in trad climbing). . I've got some rats in my basement that are pissing me off. Come on over and bring your gun I'll give you a Schmidt Ice.

quote: Originally posted by fern: ha ... nonsense. You can sorta parallel on tele-gear, but you can't tele on AT gear, and why would you bother anyways? You can sort of tele on AT gear; but the binding isn't built for that kind of force. I totally agree with you fern when you say, "why would you want to."

So whats the difference between hikeoawa and hikerwa? I've met hikerwa. I keep a free heel on low angle rolly stuff, but I don't think a tele turn is a good idea on AT gear. It certainly isn't designed to tele.

Ludwig rules!! I've met him at Washington pass. Rat tells me Ludwig told him, " I don't understand these young skiers; they smoke that stuff and then they ski the most dangerous parts of the mountain." Ludwig

I climb anything. However I find that sporto routes just don't hold my attention. There is a big difference from a modern sport route and an old style bolted face. Some of the old face routes in J tree and other places are really scetchy. 30' between rusted old 1/4" bolts. It takes a lot of guts to lead a route like that and I can only imagine even more guts to put it up. In the old days even hanging on a hook while drilling was suspect. Today with power drills and rap bolting ethic it is easy to put up a route and so a lot more routes get put up. Also when you have to set the route ground up you must be a much better climber, and I think this is part of why sport route ratings are so easy. I go over to Vantage a couple times a year, but every time I get there I feel my will to live being sucked from me, and I wish I had just stayed home.

Don't let anyone fool you tele skiing is bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. Some of em can rip, but they all curtsy down the slopes. It makes me want to puke. I hear Osama Bin Laden tele skis. Yoda.. "Once you choose the dark side forever will it dominate your life."