so u like beta too... coool i do 2 if it equals me more pitches and a barstool at the bar. my point being a "pink" point is that we all like. u proly don't need beta on beacon or how to get down and hans florine needs 0 beta on el cap-yada yada yada.... beta just saves u a little time and most climbers gather data before they do FA's for the most part. it's either data, beta, required knowledge... who cares. i wasn't born with a figure-8 on my umbilical so i'm down with a road map to save a little time, but i think ur BA for not needing a map to get where ur going