pink

keep your Beacon-related assholery in the Beacon-related assholery forum. if you were a fair person you would have told everyone jackhole in this thread to to STFU..... except for the OG poster.

thats just not monkey enough bill.....

steve schneider

cool, sounds nice and miserable

john, do you know what the tallest rock wall in the world is?

that's pretty cool, that must be one of the larger rock faces in alaska.

BOW DOWN :: :: Or... at least for the first 10 seconds of the video or so... For perspective if you put half dome on top of el cap (yes the one pink climbed) and then sprayed ice on the side that is what you are looking at. what's the name of that formation? it's 1500 meters?

joseph, by and large you're an enigma.

how's the monitoring?

You might not just be jacking off your mouth in this context if you could get up my routes, as it is you're flapping your lips. But then lately you have been coming off just like the sort of victimal, play-it-safe putz who would go to the Valley to clip bolts.

what's up dawg?

Me too

why don't u grab and extension ladder and say that to my face

well so, you only speak for yourself then, but yet you preach how climbers are unorganized with closures and how we need to speak as one as a group. dude, you r one lame group. you are a sad excuse for a climber and am thinkin you and billcoe are two peas in a pod.

yawn yawn....... so u r the beacon rock climbers association. nice too meet you

Again, I'm not really the manclub type so I don't really do the group love thing. And 'my ideas'? Dude, get a grip - my only 'idea' having been a journalist was to objectively look at the existing paperwork trail, interview everyone involved (climbers and agency folk), learn the biology, learn the laws / regs / policies, sort out where the power lies among all the various BRSP stakeholders, sort out who does what in their jobs, and try to figure out what can legally be done about the closure. That was the only 'idea' I had. And the results of that 'idea'? A) Beacon climbers had burned every shred of credibility they ever had between bullshit stunts, childish behavior breaking the closure, inadvisable actions on mass cleaning, and relentless smack talk about the agency folks. B) Beacon climbers side of the story and myth of almost salient every event in the timeline was almost invariably shrouded in, or packed with, half-truths, never-happeneds, and out-right lies. C) Beacon climbers demanded a full closure when a provisional partial closure was offered to them. D) That there are very limited legal options for doing much of anything about the closure before about 2015 other than monitoring the Peregrines for early opens or the chance that they'll nest elsewhere either on or off the rock. No monitoring? Then neither of those is going to happen with the current manpower, workload, and budget issues at WDFW - it wasn't happening between '00-'04 and wouldn't have been happening since without some climber dogging the status week-by-week. E) That in the end law, regs, and policy all end up interpersonal politics when they hit the ground day in, day out. You avoid relationships with agency personnel at your peril. And when you 'want' something, no one is particularly interested when they know the bottomline is you're slagging them the minute their back is turned and just making shit up out of thin air to support 'your side' of the story - make that myth. My ideas? Learn the law before attempting to change it; sort out who holds the keys; establish a relationship with them; put in some tangible in time, energy, and funds to demonstrate tangible investment by locals to reestablish at least the shred of credibility necessary for the agencies to listen to what a climber might think or have to say. Do I need any other climber to embrace them? Nope, not a one at this point - I get my climbing in. Don't believe what I say? Hey, there are three Beacon climbers who are lawyers and a fourth married one - check with them and see if they say anything different or are willing to take on 'the man' over the closure. Don't like what I say or the way I say it? Too fucking bad. But look at the bright side, you have something else to whine about. Do you locals need to embrace 'my ideas'? Nope, you're completely free to stay heads down in the WhineClub fairlyland for perpetuity. Just don't be surprised when no one takes your seriously when you 'want' something. another meaningless windbag retort....... i feel for u dude.

u r welcome

well normally when i give a guy my number he calls me, he has a big drill, grown up kids and a wedding ring from a cracker jack box.

joseph is a COMMUNIST!!!!!!! what is ur best accomplishment as a climber tough guy?

what have you done joseph?

awesome report, can't wait to see more just like this one.

bill is a real creeper.... trust me the wave means were real good friends

I call dibs on Bill. ur smitten for a womanizing republican?????? i would have never guessed.

LOL! I've actually known who I am for some time in fact. Some punk assed jackass who needs his teeth knocked down his throat sends me one single email with a couple of trys at swear words and I'm being stalked? NOT! Ha ha! Wish that was all anyone ever had to endure in life! You should have seen how he attacked Erik Wolfe /Skip and Anastasia earlier. I properly jumped his ass over that crazyness. I could have sat back and been quiet but it's not my way when I see someone out of line and hurting others. So he's still resentful cause he's a punk-assed bitch. That's all. No big deal. He might grow out of it in a couple of years. Nobody here ever stalked me that I know of..... yet:-). Got argumentative on a personal level with Pat here I suppose but I think we both grew up a tad and moved up and on. You ever look at the way these guys on CC.com mix it up almost everyday? Holy shit....here, check it out: http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/961549/all/Fairness Wow! Damn good thing most of these guys aren't armed and live near each other. LOL! Of course, there climbing areas would be less crowded of course! Woot! Take care all: Bill (303) 886-5797

I think Joseph that your negativity has done more to generate animosity towards Beacon Rock policies then the policies themselves, and it does not become you nor does it benefit the Park or the climbers. You act like a Ranger towards the climbers, and a climber to the rangers, when in fact you are neither. I THINK U JUST HIT THE PROVERBIAL NAIL ON THE HEAD