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The Grand Canyon pre-existed itself; it was a hole to begin with, except with air around it. Over millions of years, or maybe hundreds, sediments piled up around, but not in it, because Nature abhors a vacuum, creating the scenic wonder that it is today.

Don' be sniffin afta KBone's mama, dat's wey ah pok ma Caddy!

not only is that just not work-safe, it's not safe. Being bound by the wrists to the shower head with something waterproof, say, surgical tubing, would prevent a nasty fall.

You're pissing me off again.

A strict diet of coffee, PBR, American Spirits, and restaurant work has failed to produce the degree of flaccid palor universally prized by the hip, regardless of generation. The answer: Cosmetic chemo. For those of you who don't want to just catch the next wave, but want to be already on the beach with a mai tai in hand when the next wave hits: I'm taking on investors.

The illusion of free will on this site is uncanny.

ok, that sounds good. you go first. I'm already there. It's kind of like a cat playing with a mouse that's already in a coma. Steelie?

Internet fight!!! Vowels and consonants flying at high speed and in no particular order!

Ignore Seahawk, and we're pals again. I'll let you play with my marbles.

No doubt. I think that pretty much sums up this thread. Kevbone and Seahawk have found each other once again, like two sticky turns in an outhouse barrel. I used to believe there was no such thing as perpetual motion. Later.

What about the young lady demurely stepping out of the shower in her, er, high heels? What was distasteful about that?

There may or may not be a god, but there's definitely a god in here.

Now, now, not just pussies. Come on, say it, they were ______ pussies.

It was disturbing. They were heavily made up and dark skinned, like Muslims or something. With their heavy, almost vikingesque brass jewelry following the supple curves of their champagne breasts, their tribal leather boots, and their 'Norelco commercial' coiffure, they seemed to knowingly violate the contemplative serenity of this forum.

I think the act of just reading challenges Seahawk. Don't do the pillow thing. Last time somebody did that it mixed with a skid mark and grew up to be Seahawk.

Come on. That's not porn. It's just a couple of nice girls having a...conversation.

The best debaters on the 'other' side don't bother wasting their time arguing against sound science. The rest are fucking morons.

Prove it.

It's really hard to have a serious exchange of ideas with a clown.

Oh, we've tried. Seagal!

E Rock, first of all, welcome back. Second of all, and by now I'm sure you're on to this, you're seriously debating the absolute dumbest partial birth abortion survivor on the planet on one of the infinity of subjects about which he knows nothing. And that is a scientific fact.

Wow. You've proven that scientists sometimes disagree. Revolutionary. Is "DUMBASS" a help line?

You're all right, more or less, about what science is. Three aspects that are missing here so far are a) the dynamic nature of b) the human element embodied within and c) the predictive requirement of the practice of science. Science in inherently dynamic, in that early theories tend to spring from the abstract (arcane mathematics, philosophy) or from unexplained observation. Early theories can appear to be religious in nature, and are sometimes heavily influenced by actual religion, because they have not been tested, are nearly always a partial explanation, and are often so outrageous as to be difficult for society to accept. As a theory progresses, however, it is either discarded or accepted as it passes more and more tests of its validity. Science is also a human endeavor. Some research gets funded, some doesn't. Some researchers are persecuted, some aren't. Knowledge is lost in social upheavels and rediscovered. Finally, it is not enough for a theory to be verified repeatably through experimentation; the theory must also make testable predictions. No theory is ever really 'complete', but some theories make better predictions and survive rigorous testing better than others. Evolution is one of the most sound, tested theories we have today, and it's also a great example to illustrate these points. When it first came to Darwin, he waited many years to write it up, in part because, with his low key personality, he dreaded the controversy and publicity it was certain to generate, rather than for any sound, scientific reason. He was also concerned that, while his theory fit observation and made excellent predictions, he had no idea what internal mechanisms were at work in determining an organism's characteristics (nor would anyone until the discovery of DNA). Well, his theory has, so far, stood the test of time, including the accretion of the whole new field of genetics. We have observed evolution in countless species large and small, and predicted the outcome of evolving populations over and over. Combined with genetics, evolution comes as near as any theory to providing a complete explanation of a basic natural phenomenon. It does not answer 'why', of course. That's for the philosopher in all of us to decide.

OMG the Big Bang is such a joke! Excuse me for noticing, Dr. Gamow, that you weren't even BORN YET when the universe began. In fact, NO ONE was! Oops, didn't think of that? I didn't think so. Besides, something can't come from nothing (One of the Major Science Laws), except on Spray, so that means that either something made itself from nothing before it even existed (I call that the Self Eating Watermelon Theory! Ha!), or that something was always here before something else, forever and ever. Is COMMON SENSE so hard?

Scientist always think they're so smart, but are they? We've all got a gnome inside us? Come on. And how did they manage to lose most of the matter in the universe? Where'd it go? Did the gnomes take it? Here's some damming scientific proof about the Grand Canyon put forth by scientists who can't get published because the science community doesn't want you to know the truth: what the National Park Service doesn't want you to know