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Now I know you are a retard I might have just come to the same conclusion... Corn fields are freaking huge. You could probably put a corn field AROUND an oil well. Also consider fertilizer, herbicides, pesticides... farms create a lot of pollution. I also do not concede your point about utilizing a waste product- if McDonalds uses a bunch of cooking oil and throws it away... well who knows where it goes, but it probably stays oil. If you take that oil and burn it, you just liberated all the carbon that was bound up in that oil and put it into the air. Maybe the thing biodiesel has going for it is, when you grow a plant and then burn it, you're binding and then releasing carbon that is in the atmosphere to begin with? Whereas with dino juice you're just liberating carbon that was buried? I would like to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about. Google Reduced Carbon Monoxide and hydrocarbons, increased Nitrogen compounds. Give a little, take a little This report focuses only on the emissions produced from the final burning of the fuel, and does not include the emissions from it's production.

Now I know you are a retard I might have just come to the same conclusion... Corn fields are freaking huge. You could probably put a corn field AROUND an oil well. Also consider fertilizer, herbicides, pesticides... farms create a lot of pollution. Canada gets the majority of its oil from the oil sands... see pictures previous page. It takes two tons of oil sand to get one 42 gallon barrel of oil and uses an enormous amount of energy to make the conversion. How a cornfield is more destructive that that, is beyond me. Canada's oil sands production is uniquely destructive: essentially, Canada is using it's plentiful and cheap natural gas to fuel oil extraction: the result is actually net NEGATIVE energy production, but Canada makes a profit because of the high price of oil verses natural gas. Conventional oil drilling doesn't have this problem.

A gallon of biodeisel or ethanol (by far the more common fuel product from this source, and one that contains far less energy per gallon than gasoline) made from corn oil grown by conventional agricultural means takes more than a gallon of gas in fertilizer, pesticides, transport, and processing costs to produce. One need not be a 'scientist' to recognize the implications of this simple equation. It's therefore better to just keep drilling and refining oil than to make bio fuels in this manner. As for oil wells, they generally don't destroy the top soil over the long term. Conventional corn production is the most destructive type of agriculture in this sense. What is needed is a way to make ethanol from organisms that do not require intensive and destructive agriculture, such as trees or algae. The technology is not there, yet. For now, we'll have to settle for promoting bio fuels from sustainably grown sources. Unfortunately, this represents a tiny fraction of the total today. The current love affair growing corn for for fuel is a political ploy by agribusiness to boost market share and profits. It's utter bullshit from an environmental standpoint.

increasing taxes & inflating prices for fuel is a tax on the poor. fuel makes up a huge piece of their pie, and the rich don't care because they'll have money to do what they want anyway. THis is a bullshit argument. Price is the only mechanism that will change public behavior for a more sustainable future. That's just the way humans are put together. Government should be playing a central role by providing transportation or tele commuting incentives for the poor and rich alike.

??? The trip itself is 'unnecessary', so neither machine is less or more necessary than the other. Industrial emissions, commuting, and home heating/cooling are, by far, the largest producers of greenhouse gas emissions. Helicopters don't even register on the same scale. Until you've optimized your commute and home heating consumption, I wouldn't preach to others about the occasionally splurging on some heli time.

We are responding with salient points, albeit humorously. You just don't get it.

Quite right. I would think that, say, around 10,033 flubs would be sufficient though.

I do a fair bit of public speaking and I can assure you, from my experience at least, that saying something really stupid in front of a live audience is both easy and fun for the whole family.

Let's stick to the data, shall we?

Kerry was a C student too. BTW, I graduated magna cum laude from the UC system, do you want me to be your next president? Ah, well. No filtration system is perfect.

THE SOLUTION:

Moderators: Please move this to the personality disorder forum.

Yes, but think of how many homeless people he could house on all that freshly logged open space! Funny how Democrat charity always seems to begin with other people's money. Looks like the Bush compound would be a more spacious alternative. http://cryptome.org/bush-ranch-005.jpg And here I thought Bush was a complete incompetent, but he's apparently damn good at clearing brush.

Actually, a 17 year old congressional page did. The Idaho Statesman has the full story of Mr. Craig's long, clandestine adventures inside the (water) closet. But, you know, at least he's not GAY.

Wrong. Much of the polarity results from people on both sides of any single divisive issue who have thought long and hard on it, have heard the other side(s) ad nauseum, and have come to their own position. No amount of continued "dialog" will matter for squat. The so-called "discussion" comes down to beating a dead horse... over and over again. Listening to the same arguments again and again. There is no point whatsoever, and that covers about 99% of all the "political" discussions on this list or elsewhere. Why, WHY won't they all just stop talking and listen.... ....to me?

What, no 10 essentials? Well done.

Over the years I've climbed with people of just about every political or a-political stripe. I haven't noticed a common political bent, but it does seem that the climbers I've met are somewhat bent. In any case, their politics, or lack thereof, had little to do with how much I enjoyed their company or how good a climbing partner they were/are. I've got pretty, uh, strong political views...if only I could get over my shyness issues about sharing them, but with new climbing partners it's probably best to hang back and let the magic happen however it happens. If that involves political discussion, fine. If not, fine too. Hopefully it involves a little climbing. A little bit of humor comes in handy, too.

THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE! (Esto es qué democracia se parece a, cabrones)

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That's cool. I'm more of a slitherer anyway.

Speaking of Yakima: Taco truck locator This might, of course, lead to taco truck bombings if it were exported to Iraq.

OK, so I ordered my camera on the web. I get a call from some Brooklyner (no surprise) saying that my camera battery will only last 20 minutes and that I really should by an 'extended' battery. Then he let's it slip that the camera is refurbished. CANCEL ORDER. They guy says Bye in about a millisecond and hangs up on me. Fine. I order again, from a more 'reputable' dealer. Same fucking treatment. I get a call two days later, this time the guy (same accent) tells me that I've purchased the 'wholesale version' with a shorter battery life (bullshit) and when I say 'that's fine', (you can get replacement batteries for $12, a bit lower than the $59 he was offering) he then tries to upsell me to the 'English version', because the version I've purchased is in Japanese...for an additional $50. CANCEL ORDER. This time, the guy says, "OK, if you're that cheap," before hanGing (hard G) up. I've dealt the the notorious jewish camera merchants of Brooklyn before plenty of times, but this was a new low. Other typical scams from these guys are having you pay for faster shipping when the item is out of stock and the extended one year warranty (which comes with the camera for free). I finally phone ordered from a third merchant so I could get the verbal runaround out of the way up front. Sure enough, he tried the battery upsell, but I cut him off and let him know that I already had extra everything from a previously dead camera. That worked.

Scientists re-create out of body experiences

How does one make the desert bloom? Populate it with Republican retirees. Instead of 130,000 hapless teenagers, perhaps we should send in the population of Scottsdale, AZ. In no time, Iraq would go from this: to this: Of course, this would require a massive re-training program to create an army of Iraqi caddies, valet parking attendants, waiters, and gardeners. The question is not whether we can, it's DO WE HAVE THE WILL?