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Rain days are for sex

Muffy, look at the statistics: Pits and Pit/Rot/Wolf mixes are BY FAR the most danergous, STATISTICALLY. How can you disagree? EVERY pit owner I know admits this, except for you (well, you're not an owner yet.) The fact that you dispute the fact that they are a potentially lethal animal makes me think you should NOT own one.

Is a lion more dangerous than a tabby?

I get really tired of this BS. Bully breeds are more dangerous. Glad someone called BS on this BS. Pit bulls are definitely more dangerous -- statistically. Google it. Think about it, Muff -- they are a more powerful dog, so, assuming that ALL dogs have the same propensity for violence (an unfair claim, but let's assume it), then a more powerful dog is by definition more dangerous. Duh. What is more dangerous? A pitbull, or a toy poodle? You're saying a pit bull isn't more risky than a toy poodle -- not even a little bit? Sorry muff, but you know it's true.

I should have called from my vonage phone. I wonder what would have happened? Would my conversation have been cut off instantly when she cancelled it? Would I have gotten free talking? Hmm...

I think tomorrow they're gonna call me back, just to make sure I didn't change my mind

I think she meant I can never have that number again, and I think I got some discount cause I had an account for over 2 years, I think I lost that when I cancelled At least she respected my decision

So, I called up to cancel my vonage account today. You can't cancel online, they make you call. The conversation went something like this: Vonage: "Hello sir. I'm EXTREMELY sorry to hear you would like to cancel your account today. What happened? Are you unhappy with the service?" Me: "Well, I just don't use it ever. I mostly use my cell phone." Vonage: Our records indicate that you received 4 phone calls this month already on your vonage account. Do you realize cancelling your account may result in extra usage fees on your cell phone?" Me: Silence. "Yeah, well, I'd just like to cancel the account." Vonage: "I can certainly respect your decision, sir. I would only like to point out that vonage can serve as an emergency backup for when your cell phone network is down, or your cell phone battery dies. Surely you'd like to have a backup phone. Do you have kids?" Me: (laughing out loud) No, I'd just like to cancel my account please Vonage: I'm sorry to hear that sir. Can you please verify your identity by giving me your 4-digit vonage pin and your billing address. Me: yeah yeah...(super sekret pin to follow) Vonage: Allright sir, to make sure I heard you right, I would like to verify that you are asking to cancel your account, and that you do not want the added security of a vonage phone line at your house. You understand that this may result in extra cell phone usage fees, is that correct? Me: Please, just cancel my account Vonage: Please hold while I process this. (15 minute wait) Hello, sir, I would just like to ask you if you would like to sign up for a limited vonage account, for emergency purposes, allowing limited usage for $19.99 per month. Me: No, please...just cancel my account Vonage: I understand your position, sir. How about our $9.99 limited plan, which would allow... Me: (inturupting) No! Cancel my account! Vonage: Are you sure? I mean, it would be a waste to cancel your account when you can have emergency services only for $4.99? You don't want this? I mean, it just doesn't make sense... Me: Please cancel my acccount! Vonage: OK, Sir, I certainly respect your opinion. I would like to confirm for the record that you are canceling your account and understand that this action will be irreversable. Can you confirm this? Me: YES! Vonage: Thank you sir, even though you are no longer a vonage customer, I would like to point out that we are adding new features every month... Me: Thanks! (Hanging up)

There's no need for name-calling

Were any of them headfirst?

Dude, what's up with making fun of the little guys?

I definitely vote for Leavenworth. I'm thinking sometime in August/Sept would be good

wow, crazy. I saw this in reuters this morning.

OMG! You can see her ankles!!!one! 8=========D

Like I said before, I don't think there's anything wrong with this. After all, cragging is just practice, anyway, isn't it? There's nothing wrong with TRing, either, and that's definitely cheating. I can totally see how rap-placed bolting can result in superior practice climbs. My point was, that leading a route with pre-placed bolts is, to me, the same as leading a route with pre-placed cams. It's hard for me to imagine someone shaking their dick at me trying to keep me off of their "new classic" when the pro's all been pre-placed. What if I pre-place all my gear and just clip into it with quickdraws on lead? Can I call that a redpoint? That's what sport-climbers are essentially doing. So it seems silly to hear so much hullabaloo about someone getting in the way of their shot at eternal glory by poaching the FA on exit 38's latest gym climb. Ooooh snap! I've done it now. Flame away!

I'm in. How can I help?

well, he does know a lot about drilling

on the FF vireo. Tried it on several summer alpine climbs in the summer, and I still managaged to get cold, and I'm usually a pretty warm sleeper.... I guess half-bags just don't work for me. Given the same weight, I'd go with a full bag so I could suppliment with the puffy for the colder nights. Otherwise, half-bag + puffy and you have nothing extra for when the temps drop. YMMV

Get there late -- then you get to park others in

Exactly, why would he get caught since he "knows" the guy is guilty anyway?

dude you must have good 'car'ma or sumpin, ive never had an easy time finding a camp spot in the canyon in good weather - and been shut out a couple times. BCrk would be great but last I heard, with some grounds now closed, I can only imagine it getting worse. Thanks for the suggestions though for sure!! To be clear, I'm not talking about BrCreek campground, I'm talking about the little turnoff a few hundred feet up mountaineer creek rd that goes into the little clearing where you can just throw yr bag on the ground and sleep for free.... I've never seen it empty, but I've never seen it full, either. I doubt that the tourons will be crashing it either, since there's not so much as a picnic table....

Thanks! Me too. (or are you being snide? I've met you, you seem like a nice guy, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.)

i'm not sure what's up with the recent slide damage, but aren't the dirt-bag camps still open up on bridge-creek road or whatever? I've never had trouble finding room there, even if I end up sleeping in (or under) my car.

Maybe it's just me, but rap-bolting has always felt like cheating. Its easy for me to say, perhaps, since I'm not a "crag developer" and have never "put up a route". Nevertheless, I'm a big believer in ground-up "ethics." Rapping down, setting pro (trad or bolts) and then giving it a go just seems like cheating. This type of climbing seems kind of unnatural to me, and I view it similar to top-roping a climb -- in both situations the climb wasn't really done properly. A bolt placed on rap just permanently marks the climb as something that couldn't have ever been done "for real." Not that there's anything wrong with this, but like top-roping, I don't fool myself that I've "done the climb." I'm fairly new in my climbing career, so I guess I'm just being too idealistic or naive? Pro should be placed on lead, bolts or otherwise. Or else you're using unnatural means to mitigate the challenges or dangers of the climb. Again, easy for me to say, right? Cause I'm so hardcore. I have spoken.

I can't articulate quite as well as you can, Jay, but it is my opinion that they knew that they were lying, but that they thought they were right (if that makes any sense.) Sort of like the cop who plants evidence because he's convinced the guy is a drug dealer anyway, but just too smooth to get caught honestly....