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When you can learn to dance through a room full of spray untouched, THAT'S when I'll be impressed.

OF COURSE I don't think that just because you wrote a book you are credible. But it's a sign that you've put in effort. He has done work and put it into a format that you can read, and come to an opinion about. This alone buys him more cred, in my eyes, than random sniping internet anonym. Right, possible. But, they either were or weren't flaws in the study. And you don't know, you haven't tried to find out, all you're doing is muddying the waters. And, I postulate, that's all you want to do, since the study rubs you the wrong way. Was not a definition, it was a summary of two viewpoints on one issue. And I will stand by it. I used the words "liberal" and "conservative", not "democrat" and "republican". If you really think I'm wrong, come up with a more accurate summary. Tell me how I am wrong. How do liberals and conservatives differ in their opinions of how social issues should be addressed? You get bonus points if it doesn't boil down to "liberals rule conservatives suck". I think that basically what I said IS the entire conclusion of the survey. ... oh yes please. You keep saying "error margin". What does this mean? Where does it come from? Are you using this in any kind of real statistical way, or is this just the colloquial "we aren't sure" meaning? What I am sprayguing about (arguspraying?) is what I hate about political discussion here (and everywhere else)- people have views they have come to based mostly on emotion, without much actual thought. Whenever a topic comes up they want to take potshots at the other side, pick out some small and inconsequential piece of the issue and yell loudly about it, take potshots at the other side. Few seem willing to actually put the work in, analyze situations, consider the different viewpoints, and come to an educated conclusion, or even try to change anyone else's mind. Everyone just wants to post a link to some news article and say "SEE??" because it happens to fall in line with their poorly-thought-out position. So we get more polarized. In the wake of the last election everyone's saying we're tired of name-calling, finger-pointing, partisan politics... I say yeah, right, I'll believe it when I see it. From what I see we'll never be tired of it.

Well, kind of... I'm under the impression that what actually breaks the rope in a fall is the shock force it absorbs once it's elasticity has been exhausted. So anything that decreases the force-absorbing capabilities would be bad. That could be degradation over time or elimination of stretch from recent previous falls. Hopefully someone who actually knows what they're talking about will join the conversation.

Now THAT'S a well-put-together argument.

I think the number is the number of big falls back-to-back that the manufacturer will guarantee the rope to withstand. I've been told by guys who seemed to know what they were talking about that when the rope is allowed to "rest" it regains it's elasticity and is good for that number of back-to-back falls again. I dunno if this is commonly understood to be the case.

does anyone here have a room full of lasers? or does one person here have an empty room and another have a bunch of lasers? we need to make this happen.

Ad hominem! NICE! You're missing the point. The study said "people who consider themselves liberal do this, people who consider themselves conservative do this". It's not saying "liberals and conservatives do these things" because that would mean the study was deciding who is liberal and conservative. The study doesn't have a method for this, it's just pointing out a correlation between people's view of themselves and their actions. Red herring! NICE! We aren't talking about someone else's other posts and we aren't talking about San Francisco. Okay! So you don't care about the study. The only thing that is important to you is what YOU are or aren't doing. Why are you talking then? Do you care about any studies? Do you care about the studies that back up the opinions you already hold? It would be interesting to find out. I don't know how to find out. How? To be clear, here is my argument. 1. You are not making an argument, you are just spraying. 2. The results of the study are not surprising, they are consistent with the respective views of liberals and conservatives. Liberals tend to believe the government should take care of social causes and conservatives believe it is better to be handled by individuals. oh, I'll make a third 3. Use of the word "methinks" is totally lame. nevermind that was just spray. This guy has a body of research, he did a study and wrote a book. That gives him some level of credibility. If you wanted to read his book the methods used in the study are probably spelled out and you could argue with him. If you wanted to say he is biased you could read about him and argue that. This would take effort. You aren't doing this, you just didn't like what you heard and you're putting out broadband noise. That is why you are spraying and not arguing. Arguing requires work. Spray doesn't.

Socially liberal, fiscally conservative. I'm sure if they could choose how all their tax money marked for charity was distributed, they would, rather than let the government do it. They're businessmen.

I don't understand any of your points. No, it's really simple, he asked them to self-identify. The data in the first paragraph is based on what categorization the people in the study considered themselves to fit. Well it's a study, which I usually think carries more weight than some random anecdotal evidence or poorly-thought-out opinions. If you think he's biased, demonstrate his bias. Why is that more relevant? There are lots of confounding variables built into the group that's reading this website. How is this going to be more relevant? If you're saying it's more relevant because we kind of know each other, then I could agree with that. It is pretty easy, and pretty weak, to just suggest this is doctored without showing any evidence whatsoever. It seems like you're just saying it beacuse you don't like the results.

i give this thread one star

Is there going to be a part II?

The yellow one is easily the MVP of the set.

All right icemen. As I am a noob, I could use some guidance. Assuming this weather forecast is more or less correct (warmer weather with rain during the week, overnight lows dipping into freezing, followed by a much colder Friday night and Saturday), can we expect eastern Washington ice to be in?

I think they're awesome and at that price you should buy some. The flexible stem makes them very useful. I wouldn't say they replace Aliens but they can fit some places where Aliens can't (vice versa applies too). One thing to note is that there are two versions, the old ones and the new ones with longer stems. The longer stems are probably nicer but the old ones are good. The two smallest ones are really only good for aid. The purple one is pretty alarmingly small.

yes but they keep saying they're just for "power generation"

Hawkeye, did you resurrect this thread just to be a dick?

It's true, which is why I got one. Unfortunately it also doesn't seem to lock off for shit. Anyone else feel this way?

You'd have to drill the holes first. And I bet it's really expensive. Using it would definitely be harder than the alternatives.

I'd like to see someone trad climb Chain Reaction.

I was going to say, "oh yeah", but I thought about it and that is pretty weak. Don't start an argument you aren't willing to finish.

Well, how about convincing this moderate? This is retarded. You could be making an argument but you're just spraying. It's like admitting that you just have an opinion that you can't back up. It's the same old shit you see from both sides, pointless sniping with no actual substance. YOUR ALL RETARDED

Friend of mine said it best: C'mon, you mean you never sent your friends an e-mail/text lke that when you were drunk and high on crack and hadn't eaten for a week and were congenitally stupid? I think we've all been there before.

... and you've got 10 minutes to back it up in this thread before everyone agrees you lost the argument.

probably better for both of you, than doing it while he was awake