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Bummer!

Metabitching is my favorite.

What a stupid question! You're an idiot!

There are so many things wrong with this paragraph. I'm sure the real estate agents were really fucking interested in that lecture. As new empty-nesters ready for adventure, starting to save for retirement while buying a house is a pretty good call. Oh, and wtf do they think money put into a house IS? What does she even want? Should hard-working people with good hearts and the best intentions get cheaper mortgages? Should real estate agents be able to conjure cheaper houses? Economics are a bitch. Anyway there's a conversation here.

Like, whole pitches of aid where you're hanging from gear the whole time, and life sucks.

Are you sure you're going to be very interested in mountaineering? If you are not absolutely sure (or even if you are) going cheap makes good sense. If you find you love climbing you'll be able to figure out what you really want in an axe and then go buy it next year. Buy something used off the yardsale or CL. Heck I've got a Raven I'll sell you (I think it's a 60?) if you live near Seattle.

yeah dude, go for the voice axe!

rainier

There is something wrong with aid climbers, and hence, me. Any women out there aid climb? I've heard rumors but very little in the way of hard evidence.

A3+!! Nice!

From my weekend: From my friend's weekend: Hmmm.

Zero sympathy- you may as well complain about how gravity makes you feel weighed down.

I'll speak for mine: P3 - I hadn't climbed in a while so I started sketched and got sketchier. Stupid time consuming second-guessing occurred at the big detached block and I yelled something about topos and "why do I like climbing??". Above I found myself in a thin corner with a mossy alternative to the right. Questionable nut placements got me to the anchor. I was well aware of how long it had taken as I chugged a red bull and started soloing through the truly exposed roof. P4 - I was two placements up the overhanging corner when underworld got to the anchor. He said we were off schedule and was obviously skeptical about completing the route, and I wasn't sure either. But I figured there was nothing to lose by going up to the next anchor, since we definitely had enough time. "Okay, blitz it if you're going to blitz it." I was off. After the strenuous moves at the bottom of the corner it eased and I finally found my groove. Hit the expando flake and I found it to be less dramatic than previous reports indicated. Cam hook, camalot, worrisome cam hook, bomber cliffhanger, alien, BOLT. Charge the bolt ladder. Bomber cliffhanger. Freaky free move in bad shoes, bolt, ANCHOR. Whew. "Sorry that took so long" I yelled down. "Dude, nice work, it took an hour in a half!!" Oh, that wasn't so bad. Cleaning the upper pitch, wet and dirty, in the dark, after extensive back-cleaning by my leader... it was an experience. There was cussin'. Rapping in the dark was also an experience- coming out of the roof above the P3 anchors, you're free-hanging for about 40 feet, and a little breeze caught me and sent me on a slow 540 degree spin. Hanging in quiet darkness with the lights of Index below me. It was almost nice, but I was glad when I felt the wall against my back. Rapping is the way to go, though. With two ropes, straight down from the top of P4 to the top of P2, then to the ground, easy peasy. I definitely thought P3 was the crux, it seemed long, and thin at the top, although in hindsight maybe some offsets would have made life easier. Definitely an awesome day, it was long, hard work and it left me feeling totally thrashed (remind me not to forget my kneepads next time). After I got home I enjoyed a quiet evening of not having tons of shit get in my way, and having none of my belongings tie themselves into knots with all of my other belongings. It looked like Davis-Holland was almost dry by the time we were on the second pitch, seems like it just takes a couple hours of sunshine.

Man, who even likes climbing??

It really ties the room together. That's my favorite new position.

This page seems to have some good info. "Maximum impact force is the maximum load transmitted to the climber during a fall. The UIAA specifies a maximum impact force of 2540 pounds for single ropes and 1760 pounds for double ropes." That translates to 11.5 kN for singles and 8 kN for doubles. Which kind of disagrees with the rating of the Edelweiss... not sure what to make of that.

I loved Frogland (5.8, 6p I think) and Dark Shadows (5.8 for the first 4 pitches which is "standard" although I kind of wish we had kept going). I thought Crimson Chrysalis (5.8, 9p) was easy for the grade, weird, and not really the uber-classic it is supposed to be. There are a ton of sport crags which are probably worth some of your time, I went to Black Canyon (a canyon about 10 feet wide lined with sport routes) and had a lot of fun there. Would probably be good on a hot day as it doesn't get much sun. Moderate Mecca and Calico Basin are decent and easily accessible, although probably not the absolute best you could find. Calico Basin in particular is really striking scenery.

Isn't the kN rating how much force the rope exerts on the anchor? Which is why the Beal has greater elongation? Since you shouldn't plan on falling on either of these ropes, I think it's academic. I probably would have gone with the cheaper and lighter one.

Kix is good, kid image or no. Honey Nut Cheerios are always a good standby. Raisin Bran Crunch and Honey Bunches of Oats are delicious but tend to be pricey, I think. Cinnamon Life is the best cereal.

Have you ever dealt with any old people?

If it fits my 2002 Impreza, I will buy this.

What now differentiates the cobra and the viper? They look pretty similar, similar shapes, both have the strike and the fang, both have android attachments?

I guess you're demonstrating that some of us will always try to pick fights where they don't need to be.

Whoa whoa! I don't call you names. Breastfeeding is a fight where there doesn't need to be one. Public- who cares if a woman is breastfeeding? Women- why don't you just put a blanket over it? Both sides are just picking a fight, to me this is a huge who-cares.

As I said in another thread-