JosephH

I understand, and this is generally when I repeat that - no one is more bummed about the closure, or wants it removed more than I do. My response though, like in climbing when things are going south, is to try and get as rational as possible, stay focused, and work the problem.

Again, the clueless, semi-annual, plaintive whine with the usual mandatory deragatorives from folks who endlessly bitch without ever attempting a substantive dialog that might lead to some actual understanding - god, that must really feel just so great. God forbid you should ever take your head out of the echo chamber long enough for the reverberations to settle down... P.S. I could give a rat's ass about the trail; all I care about is the closure - you want the trail open, you make it happen... P.P.S. I suspect this is all no different than completely uninvolved parents bitching about their kid's history grades a couple of times a year and what a bastard their kid's teacher is...

Oh, the moral outrage! And 'enemy'! Oh, lordy now I'm feeling so victimal all over again - and as predictable as menstral cramps - clearly it's that time of the year again... The trail got closed because they repeatedly had people up under the East Face roofs two winters ago and that closed it.

Figures! And there was ZERO surf in LA while I was there to really rub it in... P.S. Ken, glad they've put you back together again well enough to get out for the last day.

They tried that already, too...

Yep, we go through this twice each year. And every year I explain why it is that the WSP, and especially the WDFW - despite the fact they'd like to shut it down more than you - can't close the tourist trail. So, as it stands now, proving the Peregrines aren't nesting on the South Face remains the only way of lifting the closure - and why I'm out there every spring attempting to do just that. Who knows, maybe this year; they've been showing a strong affinity for the East Face for the past 18 months...

Have been in LA checking on my parents so couldn't make the last day - glad to see you guys had a relatively nice day out there...

Well, we could do it yesterday if you wanted to work under the same standards of environment, law, and opportunities for your own children as the Bush administration. Maybe you should have put in for one of BushCo's 'last-60-days' environmental rule change specials to get rid of the closure and the Peregrines. Kind of all falls under the "damn straight I'm for the environment so long as it feels goood, is convenient, and doesn't affect me in the slightest way" sort of deals from my perspective.

That option was essentially offered to climbers in 1996 and rejected out of hand with the mantra "tourists go to the top, we go to the top"...

As Ivan points out I should have said the South Face is closed as of tomorrow - the NW Face is always open and there are good lines there. And ranger Ben is now staring up at a closed face as longingly as we are - good to now have someone on the BRSP staff who wants it open as much as we do...

As Ivan points out I should have said the South Face is closed as of tomorrow - the NW Face is always open and there are good lines there...

Well, at least now there is a park ranger staring at it everyday wishing it was open right along with us whom, I suspect will be helping out with the Peregrine monitoring...

Today, Saturday, is the last climbing day out at Beacon for the season. It will be closed to climbing starting tomorrow, Sunday Feb. 1st, on through until July 15th (or until it can be verified the Peregrine chicks have been flying for about a week or so, or until we can prove our year-round pair are nesting somewhere other than on the South Face.)

Today, Saturday, is the last climbing day out at Beacon for the season. It will be closed to climbing starting tomorrow, Sunday Feb. 1st, on through until July 15th (or until it can be verified the Peregrine chicks have been flying for about a week or so, or until we can prove our year-round pair are nesting somewhere other than on the South Face.)

Today, Saturday, is the last climbing day out at Beacon for the season. It will be closed to climbing starting tomorrow, Sunday Feb. 1st, on through until July 15th (or until it can be verified the Peregrine chicks have been flying for about a week or so, or until we can prove our year-round pair are nesting somewhere other than on the South Face.)

Just to be clear. What was the consensus reason for putting them in?

I'd say pull them and leave a note in a bag on a stick in the first bolt hole explaining the reasons why they were pulled and directing them here. At this point I can patch them well enough so you'd have to really be up close looking for them with a pretty good idea where they were.

Again, what's with the agonizing and equivocating? If there's ever been a no-brainer it's this one. Pull & patch. But it's for you folks who love the place to work that out for yourselves. My offer on the patching once things warm up stands.

Who thinks like this? People who think all forms of ascending are climbing and equally legitimate reasons for installing bolts.

This is the essential philosophical divide. You may consider this use, or any use at all, as a valid reason for setting a drill to rock and littering it with steel, I do not. Quite the contrary, that "god put it all here for us to consume" attitude, along with the associated, "I'm too busy, tired, or indifferent to give a fuck" one, simply opens other vertical surfaces to unrestrained bolting going forward. I'm just me, what happens at Broughtons, in lieu of it's history, happens - I'm personally not going to exert much more energy over the place than commenting here - but let this stand and you folks with an affinity for the place will likely regret it, and I'd expect to not hear a peep if and when similar activities appear at Ozone. Bring this sort of thing to Beacon and it won't last long enough to even have a conversation about it.

Very inclusive of you, then it's simply a matter of context and taste whether you appreciate it or not - well, there you have it. Drilling a 13 bolt ladder up a wall and clipping up it in isolation from any other free or aid climbing before, during, or after it - be it on concrete, wood, or rock - maybe climbing to you, it most assuredly is not to me. I'd say take it to the nearest telephone pole and spare some poor rock the embarassment.

Climbing means to ascend. So by the actual definition, this was climbing. Or do you mean…..YOU do not see it as climbing? Music means making noise. So by the actual definition, pretty much anything is music...

b/c you don't like aid - holes are essentially invisible and not going to ruin anyone's free-climbing experience - that salvages something good from the bad Not at all, I actually do like aid. The issue for me is one of both principle and asthetics - principle as in they may have been climbers, but this wasn't climbing, so simply reset it; asthetics in that with the right hook it's trivial hooking and a line of holes, in this context and origin, has no asthetics. When I want to practice aid with any asthetics at all I go do one of the lines at the Butte, if I don't have time, or Beacon if I do...

I'd say the odds of the hangers being where you'd want them on lead is slim, but who knows. I'd say erase it and if someone wants to put up a variation go ahead and do that as a seperate deal. Sounds like it's been a TR project until now - maybe keep it that way until you know it goes...

i agree - hooking in holes iz kewl! I'd disagree, patch'em.