KaskadskyjKozak

Damn, Minx!! you beat me to the punch!

Let me help: how about Kevbone?

I'll bet you'll "resize it"

too... much... information

not necessarily. speaking of companies, is it really necessary to have office lights on all night in every building? Is it really necessary for cities to have all those street lights burning? what about a change in lifestyle more closely aligned to sunrise and sunset? sorry, that might force folks to abandon their night lives in bars, but the planet is at stake.

you could have done your part by not buying a computer.... speaking of computers, simply powering down when not in use saves electricity and reduces your carbon footprint. how many folks out there do you think leave their computers on continuously?

I could kill you with just this finger

Почему-то, я очень сомневаюсь в твоему "знании" разных языков, дурак. Очевидно, я действую на твои нервы, как я отвечаю на твои глупые "оскарбления" на русском. Это моя цель. Я не русский, и ты ничего не знаешь ни про русских ни про украинских. По-этому дурак показывается ты сам! Лучше было закрыть твое проклятое рыло.

"no holocaust, wipe Israel off the map... you silly man. I have a friend who would like you very well... Mr. Zhirinovskij"

So you'd like to see some Communistic solution to global warming where every person is treated exactly equal. Wait a minute, buddy. The communist slogan is not "equal amounts for everyone"! It is: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need And Al Gore follows that to a tee - he "needs more".

what about our appetite for all types of fresh produce all year? perhaps people should think about foregoing kiwis in December? OK, first I'd like to see the cost of shipping that stuff (in terms of CO2 footprint) to see if it merits the sacrifice, but you get my point?

бідний дурак, ти чуєш дзвін а не знаеш де й він. москаль, селянин? срати на матір твою!

that's what I said, only more nasty

Americans WASTE. There are easy ways to make a difference with little personal change. For example, plan you excursions. If you have to drop the kids at a soccer game AND go for groceries, combine them into one trip minimizing distance travelled rather than doing two round-trips.

Not quite. Some acts might have more impact, and some less. It's a matter of looking at the impact in the aggregate. And cutting back, might not mean cutting out completely. For example, I might climb at Snoqualmie Pass more and Washington Pass less. I might buy replacement gear less often, rather than not at all, and buy used more often or rent/borrow more (although the latter might involve driving to pick up and drop off...). my point is that if EVERY bit counts... then exactly that. EVERY BIT. climbing at snoqualmie has impact...you can take that impact away by not going. unless it isn't that much of a dire situation. global warming, that is. it's not all or nothing

понюхай мой палець... вчера ночю я сделал твою жену, бурсурманский дурак!

"pull my finger, and I make stinky"

it has to be her developers. they've kidnapped her and will not let her post on this dorky climbing site. some sysadmin has probably shut down access to the cc.com IP address. we need to liberate her somehow.

Wow, you can read minds across great distances! Amazing! Does that come as a fringe benefit with "enlightenment"?

People don't like change. Deal with it. Instead of attacking, lead.

Not quite. Some acts might have more impact, and some less. It's a matter of looking at the impact in the aggregate. And cutting back, might not mean cutting out completely. For example, I might climb at Snoqualmie Pass more and Washington Pass less. I might buy replacement gear less often, rather than not at all, and buy used more often or rent/borrow more (although the latter might involve driving to pick up and drop off...).

We agree! BTW, I think taking some steps to curb our consumption would do us good as human beings NO MATTER WHAT. Americans are very wasteful, and it is not good for us. We need to start to change our culture. And I repeat there has to be some low-hanging fruit that we could implement a fix for RIGHT NOW with a reasonable cost and good ROI.

Remember the 3 Ds of Opposition chuck Disformation, Deny, Delay who's opposing, you assholes! give me a plan that works! I'm ready. You guys don't want to actually DO anything, you just want another wedge issue to get "your guys" in office.

We can change this if you want. It will be more interesting if "we" does not include "Kevbone" +1

YOU read too much into the argument, buddy. Let's say the rest of the world continues on and does NOTHING, but the US acts as a "leader", and institutes a program to reduce CO2 emissions. Quantify what that sacrifice would be, how much it would cost and what the effect actually would be. Give a range of plans with different costs and benefits, and propose it. Jumping up and down like a child screaming the "sky is falling" doesn't help. Use that scientific method you claim to love so much, and bundle it with some math and good reasoning, if you can. I think there is low hanging fruit which would cost little and reduce emissions. Start there.