KaskadskyjKozak

This is patently unjust. A workable solution that directly addresses the specific problem is needed and deadly force is warranted. I have no idea what you just said. Deadly force is warranted? For whom - the cartoonists? I'm sorry, but that is complete and total bullshit. I reject this as well and it has nothing to do with the debate. I love how you guys are trying to justify the extremist muslims who kill over a friggin' cartoon by blaming the west, and accusing our people of being the "haters" and "nazis".

I'll be as offensive as I want - especially to those threatening chaos and murder because they don't like freedom.

Being offensive is part and parcel of free speech. Bombing those who offend you, or slitting their throats is not.

Nope, it's nonsense. Your "argument" is based on cherry picking examples of killing by Christians combined with examples of muslims supposedly being tolerant to others (as per something you read by some author somewhere- real convincing) rather than a total view of history.

You present a false and bogus choice. Kill all muslims? Please. The point here is muslims are immigrating to other countries and demanding that those countries change, and muslims are threatening acts of terror against those that they deem are acting in ways that are offensive (oh the horror) to their beliefs. Sorry, but I'm not CHANGING my country or myself one fucking iota with respect to free speech or anything that someone from islamofuckistan feels is offensive. Period.

Nonsense.

Wow, and so recent! 1209!!! Meanwhile, here in 2008, they are issuing fatwas for cartoonists.

That's probably the main reason he doesn't talk about it.

I don't think so. It was more about capturing territory than "converting anybody", and of the "collateral damage" were quite a few Christians. But let's stick to the point at hand in the 21st century and not the 11th. If you want to go back 1000 years, there's plenty of killing to be discussed, and it's all irrelevant to today's discussion. Why exactly should people die for publishing cartoons? And why should companies be terrorized by threats of death and destruction into not publishing them? That's the question at hand.

Not something he likes to talk about, but it's out there. linky

Blame America First! Moral relativism! F-Yeah!

That's rich, coming from you. Whatever, dude.

No shit. As soon as you criticize Islamic extremism as manifested by the threats of violence surrounding the publishing of Mohammed cartoons, you invariable get personal attacks and insinuations about a racist dislike for (mid)eastern peoples, followed by a dose of naive historical rationalizations and moral equivalency arguments.

You made a baseless claim, were proven in error, and brush it off with "I'm sure they are there". Kind of like WMD in Iraq.

Thanks for the second hand info…… Will you please define “support our troops”. go pack your guitar, boner

Sweet! I drew some cartoons of Mohammed in the snow with my piss, but fortunately no 'ragheads' saw me before they got buried, and my car wasn't wired to explode when I started it.

No rain? I went to Snoqualmie Pass and it snowed all day Sat.

How was Vantage? Did you guys go?

Stupid Americans who think a dish is French, which probably came from Belgium, and has actually become more American (super size me!)? That problem? The worst we do is rename our foods. The Imams would have issued a few Fatwas, and some throats would have been slashed and bombs exploded. Yes, it certainly illustrates a point, you are correct!

Yes, that was a total fucking joke! Don't you agree?

I think Americans are fundamentally more generous and even-handed than others. Indeed our rep among many people is that we are "naive" because of this. We trust too much and are too generous with folks who hate us. BTW, the French comment was a friggin' joke.

Actually, I think we could run some searches and find exactly that being urged by some fairly prolific posters on cc.com a few years back - unless the politically correct moderators you complain about deleted it. Go ahead and do the search. We'll see how much you turn up.

Hhere an entry from the page on the muslim conquest of Alexandria: You can easily find historical references to the brutality of the Muslim conquest, and I won't dispute those. When tent bound on an expedition to Alaska I read a world history book, however, and I was surprised to learn that Muslim jihad has more to it than the simplistic ideas I read here on cc.com. Yeah, the Ottoman Turks were soooo tolerant. Just ask the Armenians.

KK, I've heard several people say it with full intent. One exact quote, by a young enlisted man speaking to his buddies, "I'm going to Iraq to kill me some towelheads." I've also heard "sand *" used in this context. It's understandable, killing another human being is not something to take lightly, and it's easier if you can dehumanize your target. Perhaps "infidel" is sufficiently pejorative to serve that function on their side. Certainly some form of this process has been around as long as warfare. That doesn't mean I have to stand up and applaud it. Hatred of the Other, whether based on race, religion, gender, sexuality, or social class, is the central flaw of humanity. My brother in law speaks Azeri and Turkish. He used to work in a copy store downtown and often had muslim customers come in and talk shit about America and Americans amongst themselves (in Arabic, Farsi, etc). My brother in law could understand quite a bit. One time two guys were going on and on about American women being whores, beneath contempt, etc, and my brother in law proceeded to chew them a new one in their own language. And you should hear his stories related from friends who are veterans of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Anecdotal evidence is great. I've never heard anyone who supported our troops talk about killing towel-heads or sand-n***ers. In general I think our troops and American people are about as good as you'll get. I'd much rather be looking down an American barrel than an Iranian, Russian, N. Korean, or Chinese one. I guess only a French barrel would be preferable, since it would never be fired (I'd just have to yell "boo").